Kalvan14 Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=saj854ha964dt3c65]133|100|Scoring: XIMPP - (P) - 2H* - (3C)- P - (3N) - all P *: at least 4-4 in the majors, 6-10[/hv] What's your lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 spade...seems like the best chance to set up some tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Spade.I'm tempted to say "what else?" but I assume something else beats the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Spades, wtp? But which one? I would loose some thoughts about a singelton King or queen in Dummy, but will still lead the 4. highest of my strongest suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Spade.I'm tempted to say "what else?" but I assume something else beats the contract.I Agree, what's the problem? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 [hv=n=sq7hq87d8xxxcqtxx&w=s9xhjxdaqjcakj9xx&e=sktxxhktxxdk9xxcx&s=saj8xxha96xdtxcxx]399|300|[/hv] There is an obvious problem, otherwise it would not be here, would it? If you want to beat this 3N, you must lead a club (before you ask, I led a spade).I just wanted to see if someone was so inspired as to lead a club :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Obvious club lead, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Obvious club lead, wtp? ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Obvious club lead, wtp? yeah.. i cannot imagine not leading a club :) :) :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Looks like any lead will beat this (defensive intra finesse in hearts on a spade lead). You didn't ask but I will defend accurately after my lead :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Do you still beat it if North puts up the SQ at trick 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 If you don't lead a club, the only defence to beat it is ♠A!!, and then a club switch. Automatic, hmmm. It makes if you lead any low spade. 10 Cokes at stake. Any takers? Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I'll take your word for it roland. I will also bet that on a low spade lead with a normal (aka non double dummy) line of play it will go set. spade to the queen and king. Declarer will most likely try to set up clubs, leading low to the jack. If north wins and plays a spade, and south guesses well to win and lead a heart to the 8 and T, would declarer not just cross to the diamond ace and try the AK of clubs? If he does so, he will have to find 2 pitches from his hand, and will go set. I don't see any other line of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Absolutely right, Justin. Even on a low spade lead to the queen and king, declarer is likely to go down. The winning (double dummy) line is to strip South of exit cards in the minors: Spade to the queen and king.Club to the ace.♣K.♦A.♦Q.♠9. And South is endplayed. I would like to see the declarer that finds this line in real life ... or on the internet for that matter. If someone really plays the hand this way, it will also be natural to come up with the double dummy defence: Either a club lead, or♠A and a club switch. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 A meaningless problem. Everybody leads a ♣.... ooops, I meant everybody leads a ♠. So the ♣ leads to an easy set while the ♠ requires us to spent energy to see if Justin's analysis is correct, and I don't care enough to do so. What does this prove? That bridge is a game of percentages, and sometimes the best lead fails (or maybe it doesn't). This is not a true lead problem hand: a hand that affords several choices with varying degrees of intelligent reasoning for or against a particular choice. I am back to where I began: this is a meaningless problem :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Actually, on the auction, Roland's line of play is not that unrealistic. Setting up clubs must look pretty unlikely. I know why I hate these weak, both major openings... Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 The play at the table was:4S, small, Q, KxD, small, J, smallJH, Q, K, AJS, small, small, smallxC, A, small, smallAD, small, small, TCare to go on?Without a club lead, if declarer plays well, there is no defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 uhh.. Jack of hearts Q K A? You really claim there's no defense after this? Try again :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I do. Go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Just returning a heart at that point beats it pretty easily. 3 hearts + 2 spades for defense. Declarer has 1 heart, 1 spade, 4 diamonds, 2 clubs. Entries are fine (south has a spade entry). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 In the actual layout is true. But allow me, is it reasonable at the table? If E has KT8x, you have given him the 9th trick. Why not play on spades, then? At the table, I cashed the ♠J [partner would unblock the T] and returned a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 In the actual layout is true. Without a club lead, if declarer plays well, there is no defense. You really claim there's no defense after this? I do. Go ahead. It seemed pretty evident (to me) based on the last 3 quotes that you were saying there is no way to beat this contract on a spade lead. This implies that double dummy, it is not possible. I'm not saying you should necessarily find this defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I did not found the defense at the table.I've been thinking about this hand for the last 2 days, and I'm in the dark as I was at the table.This is also the reason for my bblack/white statements (which were obviously untrue: if partner has the intermediates in heart, a heart return beats easily).However, not double dummy, what would you have returned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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