haver Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 J,9,7,6,5-9,8,7A,J,9,5,3 Vuln. against not, partner deals and bids: 1H - dbl - ? your turn -:P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 I will bid 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 1S. Anything else is "too clever by half", IMHO. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 1S, 2C or RDbl comes in my mind. But for RDbl you're too weak. 2C is something nice (hoping they defend in S), but 1S on the other hand is a great psychic in such auctions when you don't have Spades but Hearts. Normally 2C promisses 10+ HCP, so I go for 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 1 S Is there really anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 1S, 2C or RDbl comes in my mind. But for RDbl you're too weak. 2C is something nice (hoping they defend in S), but 1S on the other hand is a great psychic in such auctions when you don't have Spades but Hearts. Normally 2C promisses 10+ HCP, so I go for 1S. 1s is not psychic bid at all. my 1s is serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Yes, here it is, but it can be. So if ops have Spades, they'll still defend in Spades... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Yes, here it is, but it can be. So if ops have Spades, they'll still defend in Spades... Free, better to bid what u have before considering psyhic bid. I assure you it will backfire more than fool opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 I'm just saying that your opponents shouldn't be intimidated if you skip Spades and bid 2C (subject of the post is "TRAP"). That's all. See my first post, it says "1S". And I do have Spades don't I? Jeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 I'm just saying that your opponents shouldn't be intimidated if you skip Spades and bid 2C (subject of the post is "TRAP"). That's all. See my first post, it says "1S". And I do have Spades don't I? Jeez. Sure, I saw ur 1st post. And I do agree with 1s bid. I am just saying psyhic too much may not be such a good idea. Will you psyhic here if your hand changes to S: XXX H: X D: AJTXX C: XXXXX?I am not sure what is the right time for psyhic bid, coz i am just a novice. Perhaps Ben or other expert here can give me a guideline. But i think you may consider psyhic bid only if the following two conditions are satisfied: 1. you are sure ur opp will bid a game if u dont take action. 2. you have some where to run if you are caught by opp's dbl, which implies you should have fit with pd or u hide another long suit to run if necessary. So after pd opened and i have about 5 HCP without fit for pd, i will never psyhic. In a word, every bid we choose has a purpose. Dont psyche purely for psyh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 I believe the trap issue here is rather or not to bid at all. The danger with PASS with this hand is that the bidding might go 1H-X-P-P-P. With a void that will not be a happy contract. The problem with bidding 1S, is they might TAKE it as a psych and start doubling, and 1S is forcing, and it might get your partner to rebid his suit and now you play 2Hx, instead of one. With many of my partners, we play transfers from 1NT to suit opened minus one. So after 1H-X, all these bids are transfers: 1NT, 2C, 2D. Partner doesn't have to complete the transfer, but unless I am transferring to partners suit, the implication is that I lack support for his suit. So with this hand, I would bid 1NT (transfer to 2C). If partner bids 2C, fine, we play there. If partner bids 2D, he shows good red hand, and I don't mind playing in diamonds, so I pass that. If he rebids 2H despite my suggesting no heart fit, well then he is on his own. As an added plus, West might double the 1NT and if partner passes, East might bid. And the fact that I didn't introduce this anemic spade suit, they might end up in spades. As for the issue of bidding 1S over the double without spades, this is the most overused psych in the world of bridge. It is used so much that it is seldom effective except against inexperienced players, and using it frequently gets the opponents into a penalty double cycle. And without a heart fit, the last thing you want to do is make it easy for them to make penalty doubles. Assuming WEST has a lot of hearts, they will have trouble doubling your 2C bid (as a double by WEST is likley responsive), so either 2C or my transfer 1NT has a chance to escape. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Sure, I saw ur 1st post. And I do agree with 1s bid. I am just saying psyhic too much may not be such a good idea. Will you psyhic here if your hand changes to S: XXX H: X D: AJTXX C: XXXXX?I am not sure what is the right time for psyhic bid, coz i am just a novice. Perhaps Ben or other expert here can give me a guideline. But i think you may consider psyhic bid only if the following two conditions are satisfied: 1. you are sure ur opp will bid a game if u dont take action. 2. you have some where to run if you are caught by opp's dbl, which implies you should have fit with pd or u hide another long suit to run if necessary. So after pd opened and i have about 5 HCP without fit for pd, i will never psyhic. In a word, every bid we choose has a purpose. Dont psyche purely for psyh. Aparently you don't know exactly when to psych this 1S bid. An example hand is xxKQ9xxxxxxxx Or with a Jack or Queen extra. Here you will play 4H, but you want to keep them from 4S... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Aparently you don't know exactly when to psych this 1S bid. An example hand is xxKQ9xxxxxxxx Or with a Jack or Queen extra. Here you will play 4H, but you want to keep them from 4S... it would be great if everything goes as u wish. Just want to remind you you need pd to understand ur bid to succeed. Still remember your 1N psych which no body except yourself understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 yeah, what else would partner bid if my next bid is 4H??? If you don't get it by then, you should put "I just learned how to hold 13 cards in my hand" in your skill level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 i honestly think ben's xfers here solve the problem, and he's correct that you might end up defending a spade contract (which isn't a bad thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Here indeed, defending 4S is not a bad thing :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 yeah, what else would partner bid if my next bid is 4H??? If you don't get it by then, you should put "I just learned how to hold 13 cards in my hand" in your skill level. Have you read Reese's Miracles of card play? Many novice play much better than those claimed expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 we've all psyched with a fit for pard and short spades, which is why 1H (P) 1S (2S) is considered natural.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Free, if you are suggesting that you should by pass a 1S bid in the hope that the opps play there, you are playing pretty poor opps. If, as I understand, you plan to raise H, (to the 4 level??), I would suggest you are more likely to get doubled than persuade quality opps to play in a non fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Free, if you are suggesting that you should by pass a 1S bid in the hope that the opps play there, you are playing pretty poor opps. If, as I understand, you plan to raise H, (to the 4 level??), I would suggest you are more likely to get doubled than persuade quality opps to play in a non fit. What hand are you talking about? The one on top of this post, I'll bid 1S. The one I've posted to psych I'll also bid 1S, unless my partner won't understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Free, if you are suggesting that you should by pass a 1S bid in the hope that the opps play there, you are playing pretty poor opps. If, as I understand, you plan to raise H, (to the 4 level??), I would suggest you are more likely to get doubled than persuade quality opps to play in a non fit. What hand are you talking about? The one on top of this post, I'll bid 1S. The one I've posted to psych I'll also bid 1S, unless my partner won't understand it. If you pyche 1S and your partner understands it, you have just violated the law. I am guessing what you meant to say is if you psyche a 1S and later in the hand, from further bidding, your parnter will not be able to work it out. But if your partner will not jump to 4S on hand with a big spade fit and lots of points, then you have a pscyhe control and this is not fair, i think. But i don't think you meant that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 J,9,7,6,5-9,8,7A,J,9,5,3 Vuln. against not, partner deals and bids: 1H - dbl - ?ALWAYS reply 1s :B) your turn -:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 The title of your original post is "Trap". This together with your comments strongly suggests that you are trying to con opponents ito playing in S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 The title of your original post is "Trap". This together with your comments strongly suggests that you are trying to con opponents ito playing in S. Hi Ron, the original poster, Haver, hasn't come back to give us the actual hand. But I suspect the trap on this hand is not bidding, but rather passing. Why? You have a heart void and not much hcp. RHO has made a takeout double and you are VUL and the opponents are not. The TRAP is more likely what happens if you pass. I mean don't worry about trapping your opponents into playing in spades, they don't have to play anything other than 1Hx if you are not careful. That is, you are likely to be trapped in a horrible minus 800 versus making two or three in one of the black suit. To pass with south at this vul is a risk of a bottom or huge imp loss. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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