pclayton Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=saktxhakqtxxdxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Pass, Pass, RHO opens 1♦. You choose to double. LHO bids 2♣, natural. Pard doubles (penalty by agreement), RHO passes. Whats your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I'd go with 3H. Probably only worth 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 "I'd go with 3H. Probably only worth 2H." 2H. I'm not smart enough for 3H :rolleyes: Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 3♥ for me too. The hand is a bit too good for 2♥ (or maybe I'm not chicken enough) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I think 2♥ should be forcing here. Obviously (?), we were always planning to pull clubs to hearts, so 2♥ shows a strong hand. Partner's double showed some values, so I can't see how the bidding should stop at 2♥, and I have good use for additional space with this pattern. Famous last words. Can anybody imagine 2♥ passed out here? Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I don't understand 3H. Surely that shows an absolutely enormous hand? 2H shows a hand that we thought was too good to overcall 1H, and isn't that exactly what we've got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 With a well knows partner 2♥ seems good enough, but with a pickup partner?I'll bid 4♥, partner can correct to 4♠ if he has support there.If he can penalty dbl ♣, I won't have 2 loosers in ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 3H, which sould show a semiforcing in hearts,and since partner showed some live, it shouldbe game forcing. I think 4H is also an valid option, but not 2H,sry this can be passed, it says simply, I dontwant to defend. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I think 2♥ should be forcing here. Obviously (?), we were always planning to pull clubs to hearts, so 2♥ shows a strong hand. Partner's double showed some values, so I can't see how the bidding should stop at 2♥, and I have good use for additional space with this pattern. Famous last words. Can anybody imagine 2♥ passed out here? Arend Yes, I can.I have a hard time constructing a hand, I would pass, but then some people double holdingopening strength with 5-4 in the mayors. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Pass, Pass, RHO opens 1♦. You choose to double. I prefer 1♥ over Double. LHO bids 2♣, natural. Pard doubles (penalty by agreement), RHO passes. Whats your call? 2♥ showing a big hand with ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I think 2♥ should be forcing here. Obviously (?), we were always planning to pull clubs to hearts, so 2♥ shows a strong hand. Partner's double showed some values, so I can't see how the bidding should stop at 2♥, and I have good use for additional space with this pattern. Famous last words. Can anybody imagine 2♥ passed out here? Arend Yes, I can.I have a hard time constructing a hand, I would pass, but then some people double holdingopening strength with 5-4 in the mayors. With kind regardsMarlowe Well but they would play 2♣ if partner bids it, right? So how can't the play 2♣X if partner doubles it? Unless you have the agreement that puling 2♣ to 2♥ doesn't show a big hand, I don't think you can pull here without showing a big hand. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 what's wrong with 3♣ here? it's possible partner has 4 spades.. if he says 3nt (or 3♦), then 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 What the heck does the penalty double show? Cards and clubs, or just clubs??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I think 2♥ should be forcing here. Obviously (?), we were always planning to pull clubs to hearts, so 2♥ shows a strong hand. Partner's double showed some values, so I can't see how the bidding should stop at 2♥, and I have good use for additional space with this pattern. Famous last words. Can anybody imagine 2♥ passed out here? Arend Yes, I can.I have a hard time constructing a hand, I would pass, but then some people double holdingopening strength with 5-4 in the mayors. With kind regardsMarlowe Well but they would play 2♣ if partner bids it, right? So how can't the play 2♣X if partner doubles it? Unless you have the agreement that puling 2♣ to 2♥ doesn't show a big hand, I don't think you can pull here without showing a big hand. Arend Hi, maybe they would play 2CX, maybe not. And then, what does "big" hand mean?What is your max. strength for a 1 level overcall 15,16,17 HCP? Sry, I will bid 3H, which is 100% forcing, I dont think we have slam, and if we have,the room between 3H and 4H is enough to find out, ... I know what suit I would like to have as trump suit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I don't remember ever doubling with my own suit, so I am not familair with this sequencee. I guess I would just bid what I think I can make: 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I bid 4♥, on similar reasoning as Gonzalo. I really don't know the difference between 3♥ and 4♥, but I don't agree that 2♥ should be forcing. I think 2♥ shows a weak, shapely takeout double; more like: QJxx, AKTxx, x, xxx. Mr pard passed 4♥ with: Jx, Jxxx, xxx, AKJx. Perhaps this isn't the easiest slam to get to, but 3♥ should get you a 4♣ cue, which probably gets you to 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I don't understand 3H. Surely that shows an absolutely enormous hand? 2H shows a hand that we thought was too good to overcall 1H, and isn't that exactly what we've got? I think in terms of playing strength this is stronger than usual. For instance, we make game opposite Qx of spades, a doubleton heart, and out. Partner's club values seem to be good since that is our doubleton (with a stiff club I'd just bid 2H). That will be what I tell partner as I go set in 4H anyways B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 UH OH B) , Minority report, I like 3D. If pard has a D stop, let's try for game in NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 :) Why isn't Pass a choice? True, if we have a game, then we have to hold them to four tricks, but nobody thinks we have a game for sure. If no game, then holding them to 5 or 6 tricks will be an excellent result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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