SteelWheel Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 A bit of a whimsical request on my part.... Could the Esperanto flag be added? Esperanto is an "artificial language" invented over 100 years ago. It is the most widely used of such languages by far, has produced a large body of literature, and is spoken today by over two million people world-wide. Esperantists have devised a "national flag" to identify themselves, and (again, whimsically) refer to their nation as "Esperantujo"--literally translated, this means "a container of Esperanto-speakers", hence the name. Picture of flag available here: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/qy-eo.html Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 While we're at it, can we add a "flag" for the anarcho-capitalists out there who don't believe that countries/nations/states have a right to exist? Libertatis Aequilibritas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickf Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 What about Pidgin? It's widely spoken. And also, when I was at the school the girls were very adept at secretly communicating in some weird dialect where they would drop the first letter or syllable of each word. The boys couldnt keep up. I'd like to honour them, too. 'Cept I haven't designed a flag yet. Sorry. nickfsydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Unfortunately flags are not something we can joke about - they are very emotional issues for a lot of people. We only add flags if one of these 2 conditions apply: 1) The place in question is a member state of the United Nations2) The place in question has fielded a team in a recent World Bridge Olympiad Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I think that's a reasonable policy although you might want to include countries that are not part of the UN but recognized countries anyway (Vatican, People's Republic of Korea). Esperanto is an "artificial language" A language is not a country so I don't see a reason why it should be possible to list it as a country. Now what MIGHT be nice is to put the WBF logo on a flag and use it instead of the UN flag for those who for reasons beyond me want to keep their country secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Esperanto is an "artificial language" A language is not a country so I don't see a reason why it should be possible to list it as a country. One reason people choose countries and flags is to find others who speak the same language as the do, so they can communicate. So putting Esperanto as a flag seems to fit this function. We only add flags if one of these 2 conditions apply: 1) The place in question is a member state of the United Nations2) The place in question has fielded a team in a recent World Bridge Olympiad These can't be the only conditions, as Palestine: 1) is not a member state of the United Nations: http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html2) has not fielded a team in a recent WBO: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Istanbul....articipants.htm It also has a flag, so clearly these aren't the only two conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I did not just make this up. These really are the conditions. Palestine did not have a team in Istanbul, but they have played in at least one recent Olympiad. If you want to know which one, I am sure you can find this through the WBF web site. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelWheel Posted March 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 FWIW: Obviously, there's not a country associated with Esperanto, but the language itself does have a semi-official status within the UN. Nevertheless, I can understand your policies, and you're the boss after all, Fred. Just thought it would be fun, and might assist in finding people who share my interest in bridge as well as Esperanto; the vocabulary for the basics of card games does exist within the language, but more advanced terms ("finesse", "ruff-and-slough", etc) have not been developed. No big deal, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdct Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 We only add flags if one of these 2 conditions apply: 1) The place in question is a member state of the United Nations2) The place in question has fielded a team in a recent World Bridge OlympiadHow does Taiwan qualify then? Fair enough if you use the descriptor "Chinese Taipei" together with the modified Olympic flag that the WBF uses on its website; but the actual flag adopted by BBO is the flag of the Republic of China which has all sorts of political connotations. I recognise that the decision made by all but a handful of generally third-world countries heavily dependant on Taiwanese aid to not recognise Taiwan as a country is largely, if not entirely, based on political and economic considerations. However, if BBO is going to recognise Taiwan on social, equitable or pragmatic grounds it really needs to add a third condition imparting that. For what it's worth, I'm still yet to make a personal decision as to whether or not I should recognise Taiwan as I find the issues a bit too complex to reach a definitive position. It will be interesting see what happens when Chechnya, Inner Mongolia, Iraqi Kurdistan, Kashmir, Kosovo, Nagorno-Karabakh, South Ossetia, Tibet, Transnistria and Xinjiang seek to field teams in a WBF Olympiad. At a practical level, the non-existence of a Chinese Taipei flag is a bit of a hassle when using BBO for the onsite vugraph at WBF events; necessitating a manual edit of the countries and flags files on the computer driving the data projector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Taiwan is indeed a delicate issue. I know, because every time I introduce Patrick Huang, Taiwan, and Phoebe Lin, Taiwan, as two of our vugraph commentators, I get a few complaints from Chinese users. "Taiwan is a Chinese province, not a nation", is the message. On the other hand, it seems strange to me to replace Taiwan with Chinese Taipei. I don't think Patrick and Phoebe would mind (I haven't asked), but I will obviously comply with whatever Fred decides. Unfortunately flags are not something we can joke about - they are very emotional issues for a lot of people, Fred says. He is absolutely right. As an example, most Danes were definitely not aware of that fact until a couple of months ago. They are now after our flag was torched in several places. Till then this had only happened to the American and Israeli flags, and this is not a bronze medal one can be proud of! Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In fact it is so that the user is the ruler here. What is displayed by BBO is the name of the image residing at your flag-folder. Any american can instead insert the state-flag if they wish. As I have noticed the only limit is 10KB or less. If you prefer an image of yourself I have tested it is possible for black and white. Flag for Bornholm or Skåne will do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdct Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In fact it is so that the user is the ruler here. What is displayed by BBO is the name of the image residing at your flag-folder.That is true for what you see on your local computer, and is what I do to put the 'WBF-approved' flag in for Chinese Taipei for onsite vugraph of WBF events, but the flag shown on all the spectators' computers is what they have in their own flags folder. During WBF events, Chinese Taipei players will have the UN flag against their name, which is quite ironic given that the UN don't regognise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 So this means that it may LOOK to you that you have your own picture, but others will see the flag of, say, Togo, which you just happened to have overwritten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In fact it is so that the user is the ruler here. What is displayed by BBO is the name of the image residing at your flag-folder.That is true for what you see on your local computer, and is what I do to put the 'WBF-approved' flag in for Chinese Taipei for onsite vugraph of WBF events, but the flag shown on all the spectators' computers is what they have in their own flags folder. During WBF events, Chinese Taipei players will have the UN flag against their name, which is quite ironic given that the UN don't regognise them.Completely correct Dave - I just tested as I expected that to be false. I renamed Cuban flag as USA - and now americans by me are turned up all with Cuba flag. I don't understand the point of such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_BC84 Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Completely correct Dave - I just tested as I expected that to be false. I renamed Cuban flag as USA - and now americans by me are turned up all with Cuba flag. I don't understand the point of such. As you don't understand the point of so many things... The point is actually quite simple: The BBO program loads the images off the harddisk as seperate files before displaying them. This is opposed to hardcode them into the program itself or encode them in some way, which would be quite silly (and useless) but at least prevent clueless users from trying to change anything globally by replacing the graphics locally. Now, as a matter of fact, this allows you to exchange the actual data on your harddisk, which will lead to the BBO program displaying different graphics. Not that hard to understand after all. What I don't understand is why you expect that changing the graphics on your harddisk (possibly all of them, quite an amount of data mind you) should lead to uploading the pictures to everybody else who might or might not want to display your profile. One explanation is that you constantly assume that your own expectations and ideas of reality are to be imposed on each and everyone else... --Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Completely correct Dave - I just tested as I expected that to be false. I renamed Cuban flag as USA - and now americans by me are turned up all with Cuba flag. I don't understand the point of such. As you don't understand the point of so many things... The point is actually quite simple: The BBO program loads the images off the harddisk as seperate files before displaying them. This is opposed to hardcode them into the program itself or encode them in some way, which would be quite silly (and useless) but at least prevent clueless users from trying to change anything globally by replacing the graphics locally. Now, as a matter of fact, this allows you to exchange the actual data on your harddisk, which will lead to the BBO program displaying different graphics. Not that hard to understand after all. What I don't understand is why you expect that changing the graphics on your harddisk (possibly all of them, quite an amount of data mind you) should lead to uploading the pictures to everybody else who might or might not want to display your profile. One explanation is that you constantly assume that your own expectations and ideas of reality are to be imposed on each and everyone else... --SigiThis tone looks not so very friendly Sigi. In future I will discuss with other persons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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