Best rebid. Starts 1C 1S

[dosxtres]

Hi all.

 

Here are some hands that i'm not sure what the best rebid is.

 

All secuences starts at 1♣ 1♠

 

What to rebid in each case?

I think doesnt matter if playing sayc or 2/1 or even SEF.

 

1.AKxx Axxx Qx KQJ

 

a. 2NT?

b. 2H?

c. Other? Why?

 

2. AKx Axx Qx KQJxx

a. 2NT?

b. Other?

 

3. Kxx Axx AQ KQJxx

a. 2NT?

b. Other?

 

4. AKxx Axx Qx KQJx

a. 2NT (If checkback with fit, is it good?)

b. 4S

c. 3H Fit jump showing a balance 18-19? H must have a control?

 

5. AKxx xx Qxx AKQJ

a. 2NT checkback

b. 4S

c. 3H Fit Jump Showing

d. Other?

 

6. Axxx AJxx Ax KQx

a. 2NT CheckBack

b. 2H

c. 3H FJS

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

7. AKxx Ax Qx KQJxx

a. 2NT if ChB

b. 4C

c. 4S

d. 3H FJS

 

8. AKxx Ax xx AKJxx

a. 2NT ChB

b. 4C

c. 3H FJS

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

9. AKxx Axx x AKJxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 4S

d. 3H

e. Other?

 

10. AKxx AKxx x KQxx

a. 2H

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

11. deleted. same as 7

 

12. AKxx xx xx AKQJx

a. 4C

b. 4S

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

13. AKxx Ax A QJxxxx

a. 4S

b. 3H

c. 4D

d. 4C

e. Other?

 

14. AKxx xx A AQJxxx

a. 4S

b. 3H

c. 4D

e. 4C

 

15. AKxx xx x AKQxxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

16. AKxx Axx void KQJxxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

17. AKQx xxx void QJT9xx

a. 4D

b. 4C

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

 

Modified, 1,4,6.

[joker_gib]

First hand has 15 cards ! :)

[joker_gib]

Hand 4 has 14 cards !

[mr1303]

OK, I'll have a go at answering the rest (except 1 and 4)

 

2. 2NT, showing 18-19 HCP. Partner can checkback for 3 card support if necessary

3. As above. This is almost the same hand as 2.

5. 4S. Showing a balanced 18-19 with 4 card support.

6. You should open this 2NT. This is too strong for a 1C opening.

7. I think this hand is too strong as well. However, having opened 1C I now have to bid 4S.

8. 4C i(showing good clubs and spades is an option, but I think it shows longer clubs. Otherwise 4S.

9. 3D. Classical splinter. Note that since 2D is a reverse, 3D is a splinter, and so 4D is a void-showing splinter.

10. See 9.

11. This hand is identical to hand 7

12. 4C for me, showing good clubs and 4 card spade support.

13. Uggh, 3D I guess. I hate splintering with a singleton ace, but I think it's too good a hand for a direct 4S.

14. 3D I think again. I'll have another bid if partner tries to sign off.

15. Classical 4C bid.

16. 4D, showing a void.

17. I'm only going to bid 3S here. Partner may have to ruff diamonds with top trumps, devaluing them.

[inquiry]

Hi all.

 

Here are some hands that i'm not sure what the best rebid is.

 

All secuences starts at 1♣ 1♠

 

What to rebid in each case?

I think doesnt matter if playing sayc or 2/1 or even SEF.

 

1.AKxx Axxx Qx KQJ

 

a. 2NT?

b. 2H?

c. Other? Why?

 

 

 

Modified, 1,4,6.

1. 2NT is out of the question with four card ♠ support, reverse into the anemic heart suit is also wrong and 3♠ is an underbid. I choose other, and bid 4♠

 

2. AKx Axx Qx KQJxx

a. 2NT?

b. Other?

 

2NT is right on values, but I am not fond of the two small hearts and this hand is more spade oriented than NT oriented. Thus, I might bid either 2NT or yes, even 3♠ despite only three card support. I guess most of the time it would be 2NT.

 

3. Kxx Axx AQ KQJxx

a. 2NT?

b. Other?

 

I probably would have opened 2NT. Here I wll rebid 3NT and take my chances at imps. At matchpoints, I would rebid 2NT. Unlike hand 2, I would never consider bidding 3♠ on this one.

 

4. AKxx Axx Qx KQJx

a. 2NT (If checkback with fit, is it good?)

b. 4S

c. 3H Fit jump showing a balance 18-19? H must have a control?

 

If three heaarts meant I hold 4♠ heart value and 18-19 points, this is the hand for it. Who plays it that way? Seems rare beastie to me. I will bid 4♠. BTW, I do prefer 2NT on these auction to show strong game try with four card fit for parnter (maybe what you mean as checkback with fit --but not something usually discussed in a beginner's thread,, i will include such 2NT bids as part of my answers from here out, but with other options for those for whom 2NT is balanced 18-19). But that is a non=standard treatment. Playing 2NT as fit and force, I would not bid 4♠ on any of the earlier hands.

 

5. AKxx xx Qxx AKQJ

a. 2NT checkback

b. 4S

c. 3H Fit Jump Showing

d. Other?

 

3H here doesn't meant your fit jump showing response requirements from #4. If 2NT is forcing with spades, great, if not a heavy 3♠ seems enough

 

6. Axxx AJxx Ax KQx

a. 2NT CheckBack

b. 2H

c. 3H FJS

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

If 2NT is forcing with spades, great, if not 4♠'s

 

7. AKxx Ax Qx KQJxx

a. 2NT if ChB

b. 4C

c. 4S

d. 3H FJS

 

If 2NT is forcing with spades, great, if not heavy 3♠'s

 

8. AKxx Ax xx AKJxx

a. 2NT ChB

b. 4C

c. 3H FJS

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

If 2NT is forcing with spades, great, if not 4♠'s

 

9. AKxx Axx x AKJxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 4S

d. 3H

e. Other?

 

4♦ splinter

 

10. AKxx AKxx x KQxx

a. 2H

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

♦ splinter

 

12. AKxx xx xx AKQJx

a. 4C

b. 4S

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

If 2NT is forcing with spades, great 2NT, if not 3♠'s

 

13. AKxx Ax A QJxxxx

a. 4S

b. 3H

c. 4D

d. 4C

e. Other?

 

If 2NT is forcing with spades, great 2NT, if not 4♠'s

 

14. AKxx xx A AQJxxx

a. 4S

b. 3H

c. 4D

e. 4C

 

4♣

 

15. AKxx xx x AKQxxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

3♦

 

16. AKxx Axx void KQJxxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

4♣

 

17. AKQx xxx void QJT9xx

a. 4D

b. 4C

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

If 2NT is forcing with spades, great 2NT, if not 3♦'s

[joshs]

Hi all.

 

Here are some hands that i'm not sure what the best rebid is.

 

All secuences starts at 1♣ 1♠

 

What to rebid in each case?

I think doesnt matter if playing sayc or 2/1 or even SEF.

 

1.AKxx Axxx Qx KQJ

 

a. 2NT?

b. 2H?

c. Other? Why?

 

2. AKx Axx Qx KQJxx

a. 2NT?

b. Other?

 

3. Kxx Axx AQ KQJxx

a. 2NT?

b. Other?

 

4. AKxx Axx Qx KQJx

a. 2NT (If checkback with fit, is it good?)

b. 4S

c. 3H Fit jump showing a balance 18-19? H must have a control?

 

5. AKxx xx Qxx AKQJ

a. 2NT checkback

b. 4S

c. 3H Fit Jump Showing

d. Other?

 

6. Axxx AJxx Ax KQx

a. 2NT CheckBack

b. 2H

c. 3H FJS

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

7. AKxx Ax Qx KQJxx

a. 2NT if ChB

b. 4C

c. 4S

d. 3H FJS

 

8. AKxx Ax xx AKJxx

a. 2NT ChB

b. 4C

c. 3H FJS

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

9. AKxx Axx x AKJxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 4S

d. 3H

e. Other?

 

10. AKxx AKxx x KQxx

a. 2H

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

11. deleted. same as 7

 

12. AKxx xx xx AKQJx

a. 4C

b. 4S

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

13. AKxx Ax A QJxxxx

a. 4S

b. 3H

c. 4D

d. 4C

e. Other?

 

14. AKxx xx A AQJxxx

a. 4S

b. 3H

c. 4D

e. 4C

 

15. AKxx xx x AKQxxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. 4S

e. Other?

 

16. AKxx Axx void KQJxxx

a. 4C

b. 4D

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

17. AKQx xxx void QJT9xx

a. 4D

b. 4C

c. 3H

d. Other?

 

 

Modified, 1,4,6.

In general, a 2N rebid bid isn't "checkback" it shows a balanced 18-19 HCP hand without 4 card support. Partner can pass this if responded with less than 7 points.

 

The 2 level rebids are more wide ranging than higher bids. This is because you have more room to sort things out. If the auction goes 1C-1S-2S you have room to invite game (3S or 2N or a new suit) or explore a different strain. If the auction goes 1C-1S-3S you have to decide immediately if you belong in game, hence the 3S bid has to have a tighter range than the 2S bid. There are some differences of opinion on the exact range showed by these bids. I have always played the "more conservative" style:

2S 12-16 In Support

3S 17-19 in Support

4S 20-22 in Support

 

Note its not really more conservative, since its easier to bid slam over a 3S rebid than a 4S rebid since you have more room.

 

Some play these ranges as 1 point lighter than this, or make 3S "tighter" and play it as 17-18

 

Finally, since reverses (a bid at the 2 level, of a new suit that is higher ranking than your first suit - in this case 2D or 2H) are forcing and show about 17+ points, most people play the a jump in such a suit is a splinter showing enough "support points" to raise partner to the relevent level.

 

Example: 1C-1S-3D shows a singleton or void in Diamonds and 17-19 in support (but obvious less in high card points)

Or 1C-1S-4D shows a singleton or void in D and 20-22 in support.

 

Another treatment people sometimes play is to give each of these splinters "2 ranges", e.g. 1C-1S-3D can be 17-19 OR (and this is rare) 23-24.

 

The hands:

1. 3S balanced 19 with 4 card support (if you play that 19 must bid 4S than this is a 4S bid)

 

2.2N

 

3. 2N

 

4. 3S

 

5. 4S (this is probably too good for just 3S )

 

6. 3S

 

7. 4S having a strong 5 card suit makes this hand worth more than 19

 

8. 4S this hand is even better than the last one

 

9. 4D (or playing with the 2 range splinters 3D and then bid again)

 

10.4D A Classic 4D bid

 

12. 3S

 

13. 4D or 4S some people don't like splintering with a stiff ace but I prefer 4D.

 

14. 4D, you really need to give partner room to Q-bid in hearts.

 

15. there is a special rebid for this hand. 4C shows a very strong 6+ card suit, 4 card support, but less HCP than a 4 level splinter shows.

 

16. Tough hand! This would fit into my 3D and bid again category. 3D then 4D is a good desciption

 

17. 3D

[Guest Jlall]

1) 4S. Support with support, no reason to not bid some number of spades. 4 seems right.

 

2) 2N. You have 18-19 balanced, exactly what this shows.

 

3) 2N. Ditto, though I would have opened 2N with this one.

 

4) 4S. Support with support...

 

5) 4S... I think you get my point.

 

6) 4S... This 18 is very good.

 

7) 4S

 

8) 4S... Still...

 

9) 4D. Splinter for spades.

 

10) 4D.

 

12) Close between 3 and 4. I would just bid 3S here.

 

13) 4S. I think 4C should be a better suit, and I don't like splinters on stiff ace.

 

14) 4C. This suit quality qualifies.

 

15) 4C. This is a perfect hand.

 

16) 4C. Less perfect now, hopefully I can coax partner into giving some cooperation.

 

17) 3D mini splinter if available, otherwise 3S. Bidding 4 is just too much.

[dosxtres]

Thanks all for your replies.

I was trying to understand with all of this when to show a side suit to raise partner, if splinter or side suit is prefered and how to show the 18-19 balance with support.

 

It's not clear at all, but i really thank your comments.

 

Just one thing more, nobody uses reverse jump to show fit and strenght enought to the relevant level?

Let explain with an example, maybe some of you can clarify me.

 

a. I open, I have a balance 18-19 without 4♠

b. Now, i have a balance 18-19 with 4♠

 

1♣ 1♠

 

case a. Clear 2NT

case b. If 2H is a reverse, 3H shows (or can be used to show) this 18-19 balance with support

(Is it in the 2/1 system? . Well i've read it somewhere but maybe it is for other purposes or it is in other system? Some help about this stuff would be great.)

 

 

Thanks all,

Best regards.

[boris3161]

Let's go back to basics: I don't know who said it but the objective of bidding is to determine "which denomination?" and "how high?". The answers to these questions may vary according to the type of game you are playing (imps v matchpoints), your partner and his/her mood, your mood, the match position and/or any number of other factors. There is no single right answer.

 

Having said that, with a 19 point opener and a partner who can reply, it is clear you want to be in game - perhaps slam. If your partner shows spades and you have 4 of them, it is clear which denomination you want to be in - so you need to tell your partner by whatever means you have at your disposal the good news. With fewer spades, you have to make more of a judgement.

 

Don't look for rigid rules. Look to give your partner the most appropriate information you can.

[mike777]

Let's go back to basics:  I don't know who said it but the objective of bidding is to determine "which denomination?" and "how high?".  The answers to these questions may vary according to the type of game you are playing (imps v matchpoints), your partner and his/her mood, your mood, the match position and/or any number of other factors.  There is no single right answer.

 

Having said that, with a 19 point opener and a partner who can reply, it is clear you want to be in game - perhaps slam.  If your partner shows spades and you have 4 of them, it is clear which denomination you want to be in - so you need to tell your partner by whatever means you have at your disposal the good news.  With fewer spades, you have to make more of a judgement.

 

Don't look for rigid rules. Look to give your partner the most appropriate information you can.

This is a great post and it really focuses on a most important question, what is the objective of bidding.

[whereagles]

Be Flexible is a good rigid rule.

Yes. Indeed.

 

Another good rigid rule is "think first, bid later" B)