Sigi_BC84 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I haven't placed the King of HeartsOK, forgot about that. He just might or might not be there, since you can see the 6QP already.Once I make the decision to ask for slam points, I ask about the stiff King of Hearts. Accordingly, I want to reserve the possibility of a dummy reversal.I'm sorry, but I don't understand, can you elaborate further? Really interested in this matter.--Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I haven't placed the King of HeartsOK, forgot about that. He just might or might not be there, since you can see the 6QP already.Once I make the decision to ask for slam points, I ask about the stiff King of Hearts. Accordingly, I want to reserve the possibility of a dummy reversal.I'm sorry, but I don't understand, can you elaborate further? Really interested in this matter.--Sigi Significant typo in the original reply now corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrasolid Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 1. our polsih club-system1♣ (polish) - 2♦ (GF, 5+ Dia)4♦ (RCKB) - 4♠ (0/3 KC)5♥ (King of Hearts?) - 6♣ (King of hearts+spades, not quenn in club)6♠ (queen of spades?) - 7♦ (yes+Jay of clubs+may be more Js i cant show)7NT 2.1♠ - 2♦2♠ - 2NT (forcing)3♣ - 3♦3NT - and than it gets difficult ;) Uli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 1. our polsih club-system1♣ (polish) - 2♦ (GF, 5+ Dia)4♦ (RCKB) - 4♠ (0/3 KC)5♥ (King of Hearts?) - 6♣ (King of hearts+spades, not quenn in club)6NT (queen of spades?) - 7♦ (yes)7NT The specific king asking bid (5♥) is a useful tool, but your usage of it is fairly foreign to me. Someuse 5NT to ask (or here maybe 4NT), Some use a specific suit ask by bidding the suit like you did (5♥), but then the responses range from nothing in suit up to KQ in different steps. Here your response not only seemed to show heart king, but also spade king and no club queen. All that in three steps (5S, 5N, 6C)... I wonder, what would 5S show over 5H? How about 5NT and 6D? How do you show no heart king? heart king but no spade king, heart king, spade king and club queen? spade king, no heart king? no heart king but a singleton heart? etc I also am wondering, usually after asking for kings, a specific card ask if found is enough for grand slam. Here you needed a lot more. Is this typical? Finally, 6NT as an ask for the spade queen is fairly cute..but is that right? I mean, maybe opener wants to play in 6NT. The spade king has been shown already, what would six spades here be instead of 6NT? Thanks for clarifying these for me. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Playing TOSR: Hand 1 (Easy):1C(15+)-3D(3154, 9+)-3H(Relay)-4C(13+, 4 controls)-7N (has to have a black Q) Note this auction assumes that responder would downgrade KJx K Jxxx AJxx as they should. Hand 2: (Hard)1H(4+S, 0-3 H, 10-14ish)-1S(12+ ART)-2D(5+D, 4+C, 12-14ish, 3+ controls)-2H(GFing relay)-3D(5314)-3H(relay)-3N(4 controls)-5D(slam try)-5S(accepts slam try, shows 1 keycard. The acceptance is in deference to having the maximum 14 count)-6D. Its arguable if the relayer should be making a slam try here.... Alternative auction after 3N:4C(relay)-4H(A/K of spades, AK of clubs or neither)-Guess what to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillFinque Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Hand 1Intervening passes 1♣ (16+HCP) 2♣ 8+HCP; 5+♦2♦ (asks A's; 3+♦) 2♥ One A2♠ (asks K's) 3♦ (2 K's, same color)3♥ (asks Q's) 3♠ (1 Q)At this point you can count 13 tricks 2 or 3 spades3 hearts5 diamonds2 or 3 clubs 7 NT Hand 2 1♠ (10-15 HCP; 5+♠) 2♦ (GF 5+♦)2NT (10-13; hate this treatment) 4♦ (great ♦ still GF)5♣ (have good cards here) 5♦ (no spade A or heart K; OK)Pass Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_BC84 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Once I make the decision to ask for slam points, I ask about the stiff King of Hearts. Accordingly, I want to reserve the possibility of a dummy reversal.Significant typo in the original reply now corrected Now it makes sense, thanks :-).--Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrasolid Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 1. our polsih club-system1♣ (polish) - 2♦ (GF, 5+ Dia)4♦ (RCKB) - 4♠ (0/3 KC)5♥ (King of Hearts?) - 6♣ (King of hearts+spades, not quenn in club)6NT (queen of spades?) - 7♦ (yes)7NT [...]I wonder, what would 5S show over 5H? How about 5NT and 6D? How do you show no heart king? heart king but no spade king, heart king, spade king and club queen? spade king, no heart king? no heart king but a singleton heart? etc I also am wondering, usually after asking for kings, a specific card ask if found is enough for grand slam. Here you needed a lot more. Is this typical? [...] Thanks for clarifying these for me. Ben The 5♥ bid as kingaskingbid for hearts is by acident, :) . We use "spiral scan". After 4♠ (0/3 KC) 4NT asks for queen of trumps , 5♣ for king of clubs, 5♦ is signoff. So 5♥ is the next step to ask for king of hearts. 5♠: no king of hearts5NT: King of hearts but not King of spades6♣: King of hearts and spades but not queen of club6♦: Kings of hearts+spades, queens of club+diamond, not queen of hearts next cards that would be shown are queens up the line, the Js. So after 6♣ 6♦ is signoff again, 6♥ asks for queen of hearts and 6♠ aks for queen of spades). Now first step denies, second say: "indeed, i have the card you asked for but not the next in the line" and so on. So 7♦ shows the queen of spades and the Jay of clubs. If there are more jays you cant show because then you have to bid 8 in trumps, lol. We use this spiral scan after 1M - 2NT also:at first you show strength and distribution, P can relais für single if some is shown and after that relais as RCKB. After that asking for queen of trumps (if it is not shown or denied) then spiral scan (Kings, Queens, Jay). You often can asks for special kings before reaching the full game. Our system is far from beeing perfect as moscito or things like that. But if you can count to 5 or 6 :) you can bid it (most of the times as you can see from my mistake). Uli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mghmaine Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 1) 1C=17+ 2C= Ds, positive 3D = big D fit 3H = Q 3S= Q 4C=Q 4H=Q 4S = Q 5C=Q 5H =Q 7NT 2) 2S= 5+S,4+C, "anti-canape" 6S allowed only if min or sub-min 2NT= relay 3H = 5-3-1-4 decent opener 6D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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