extrasolid Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Hello, we play an interesting polish-club-system with some nice features (eg GF-raises in the majors with a following relaissystem, 2♦ weak, at least 4-4 in the majors). If anybody is interested he can write to extrasolid@gmx.net :D Our last improvement is an exchange of the meaning of 1♥/♠. 1♥ shows 4+spades, 4 hearts are still possible. Then 1♠ from responder shows 4+hearts, no ♠-fit. After 1♣ - 1♠* - 1NT - 2♣ (magister) opener shows threecardsupport for hearts or 4spades with 2♠. Now 2NT has to be sign-off :D . Otherwise you could not search for a better partgame than 1NT. Has anybody an idea how the exchange of the meanings could work better? The problem is not to miss a game with 4♠5♥?♦?♣ Ulrich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJNeill Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Hi Ulrich,Play an enhanced 2-way checkback a la WJXXI. I am sure you can figure out a way to encode what you want in that structure somewhere.link Thanks,Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrasolid Posted February 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 :D Nice link; its not too easy when you do not understand one word of the polish language! The 2-way-checkback is not really a solution, because you cant find your 4-4 Spade-fit cheaply; after 1♣ 1♠* 1NT 2♣* 2♦* you can bid 2♥ to play. But you can not find the 4-4-fit in Spades which anybody finds after 1♣ 1♥ 1♠ 2♠ PPP! Ulrich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Play two-way NMF, so that: 2♣ forces 2♦, and after opener bids this, responder passes with ♦ signoff or bids with any game invite, or bids 3NT to offer choice of game with 5♥s 2♦ is either:1) Any Game Force2) A signoff with 5+♥s and 4♠s Opener assumes 2) at first and bids 2♥ or 2♠ - then responder passes with 2) and bids again with 1) - the cheapest bid asks opener to continue to describe hand. So, for example, 1♣-1♠(showing ♥s)--1NT-2♦--2♥(prefers ♥s)-2♠ establishes a game force, says nothing about ♠s, and asks for a futher description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrasolid Posted February 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 :D Nice one; NOW i understand; thinking slow but at last... I have suggested it to my P! Ulrich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 I think Transfer Checkback has 2♥ as 5♥4♠ NF. 2♣ is a puppet to 2♦, as in Two-Way Checkback, and 2♦ is a transfer to hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 In my system I have included these "reverse major" bids also. Basically, to deal with 5♥ 4♠ hands is a problem, I use 1♣ 2♥ = 5♥ 4♠ NF. Basically you are in the same boat as everyone who plays that 1♣ 1♥ 1NT does not deny 4♠ and showing a balanced hand first is more important. 1- or 2-way Checkback of some sort is the solution. 1♣ 2♠ shows both minors, invitational. This solves the problem that you have no bid after 1♣ 1♦ 1♠ (after 1♥ rebid from opener WJ uses 2♠ as the strong minor-oriented hand. No such bid is available if partner bids ♠, however). Now another advantage is that you can use 1♣ 1♦ 1♥ 2♠ as a 6-card suit, 1♠ denying the very weak jump shift (i.e. 4/5♠) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I used to play these inverted Majors. What we did was following:- With weak hands, just start showing ♠ first (1♥ bid) even with longer ♥. Partner shows a 4 card ♥ by bidding 1♠ or something else. When responder now rebids 2♥, he has a weak hand with 5+♥ and 4♠. With 5♠ and 4♥, start the same, but rebid 2♠ (since partner doesn't have 4♥ anyway).- With inv+ hands, show your longest Major first, and use full checkback (3-level responses also show the hand with maximum) to find out what you want. This worked out great a lot of times! Biddings like 1♣-1♥-1NT-2♥ were no problem for us, but for other systems they were. Other hands didn't have much problems as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 This worked out great a lot of times! Biddings like 1♣-1♥-1NT-2♥ were no problem for us, but for other systems they were. Other hands didn't have much problems as well. that shows 5 hearts and 4 spades? why not just open flannery :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 <whacks Luke> Partner opened, and... NEVER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 An interesting way to reply to 1c is 1d = waiting denies 5M unbalanced 1h = 5s -------1s-----1nt--S+ diam---------------2c -- H---------------2d-- 6s---------------2h--S+C 1S = H+ C1nt = H+ D2c = 6H2d = H+ S 0-8 or GF2h = 5H + 4s 9-11 inv2s + 5h + 4s GF 12 + our 1c opening is 12-19 bal or 15-17 any shapes. all Bids are 0 +inv bids are 7-8 Its allow to GF early without playing positive or negative responses. And its alos permit you to relay whatever you pts range wich is the key to a successfull relay bidding system IMHO. Drawback is you cannot stop in 2c unless opener is 15-17 with clubs.you cant stop in 1nt if opener or responder have a 5M unbalanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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