Helmer Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 ♠♠♥[hv=d=e&v=b&w=s4hkj3daq964c8763&e=sahaq10652dj3caqj2]266|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Over RKC we ended in 6 ♥. No bid from opps. How to play it, after spade lead? Am I just "stupid" when I say - I think a good way could be either to draw one or two rounds of thrump and then play a small ♦ to the Jack? This was winning way in this hand as ♦ split 4 -2 with K1082 after dummy. ♥ split 2 - 2. South had ♠QJ109653 ♥87 ♦75 ♣ K4. After 1♥ no bid ! - and maybe I bid wrong - but no agreements. I bid 4♥. How would you play it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I think that is a double dummy line. It caters to north having 4 diamonds to the KT and south having the CK. Meanwhile it loses to more likely layouts like 4-2 diamonds with Kx or KTxx with south with the club king off, or 5 diamonds to the king with south, etc. Plus it's MP and may cost an overtrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I like this line. The advantage is that you can first test the diamonds, and then take the club finesse if necessary. If you run ♦J losing, you get a club return. Now you either have to give up on layouts with ♦T falling and club king off-side, or on layouts with club king onside and ♦T guarded. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I kind of like the line. The alternative of running the ♦J at T2 seems technically worse to me for 12 tricks, but I'll think about it more. I'm not that concerned about an overtrick here. This is a great slam and I would need a lot of luck in both minors to make 13 here. I would say making 6 is at least an 80% board. I would guess at other tables the opponents are more active with their 11 spades, which may or may not help other tables to get to 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Why is this line better for 12 tricks? It caters to ONE SPECIFIC diamond holding (KTxx on right) PLUS the club king being off, and loses to the holdings i mentioned which are much more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Why is this line better for 12 tricks? It caters to ONE SPECIFIC diamond holding (KTxx on right) PLUS the club king being off, and loses to the holdings i mentioned which are much more likely. Not really. If the diamond finesse loses and a club comes back you have a nasty guess. Are diamonds 3-3? Or is the K♣ on. I would venture to guess a good player will put a club on the table in a nanosecond just about every single time. But as I said, I haven't fully digested the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 You're right I overlooked that. So this line also loses when the CK is onside with a doubleton/singleton DK on right(not KT dub) in addition to the actual layout. Still not close I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Justin, I think you are still overlooking something. Let's assume clubs are 3-2 for simplicity. Also let's assume hearts split 2-2. There are 3 lines:1. Run ♦J, hook if it loses to the king and a club comes back2. Run ♦J, win ♣A if it loses to the king and a club comes back3. Start with a diamond to the jack. No. 1 has a success rate of 74% (either king on). No. 2 is a little better, it wins when either ♦K is on, or ♦T is at most tripleton (I guess 76% or so).No. 3 almost always wins when ♦K is with North (either you don't lose a diamond trick, or you have enough discards when diamonds are not 5-1). If ♦K is with South, you can next test whether diamond ten falls, this already gives you about 75%. And when this fails, you still have the hope for ♣K onside. Unless I have overlooked s.th., No. 3 is the best, and it is not close. The point is it's the only line that allows you to test falling of ♦T before you commit on the club hook. (Yes I have analyzed it like an IMP problem. At MP it depends on the field-blah-blah.) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Thanks, I know you are overlooking something. Number 2 is A LOT better than number 1. You pick up any 4 card diamond suit that has the CK as well as any 3-3 diamonds, DK onside, or DT dropping doubleton. So you only don't pick up diamonds when it is KTxx(x) offside WITHOUT the CK, or K(x) with north WITH the club king. 2 and 3 are roughly equivalent but 3 gives up any chance of an overtrick. This one is a no-brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Thanks, I know you are overlooking something.Heh, first to be clear, I make this detailed list not because I think you are dumb, but because I am dumb and need to do this to sort it out for me :lol:Number 2 is A LOT better than number 1. You pick up any 4 card diamond suit that has the CK as well as any 3-3 diamonds, DK onside, or DT dropping doubleton.Sorry, I still don't get it -- why do you pick up a 4-card diamond suit that has the ♣K? I don't see a squeeze working.This one is a no-brainer.Maybe...but not for me... (Of course, the line 2. above has non-technical advantages; if North has ♦KTxx and ♣Kxx, he may not find the club shift after winning the ♦K.) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 At IMPs Low to the J is clearly the best line. The ♣ switch is too probable. In a tough field maybe you wont get a good score for 6h making. So maybe running the ♦J is better. But in a weakish field low to the J is a reasonnable anti-field "semi-safety play". Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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