Helmer Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=e&n=saj962hkq7dk96ckq&s=s8haj1083dq7ca9832]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] Bidding: East South West North 2♠ pass pass Dblpass 4♥ There were no agreements on anything special over 2♠. Double from North. Well now you get to know who is who.North was my partner.He meant Dbl - as penalty - well how could I know?You bid stupid partner he wrote.Well - I think 2 NT in Norths hand is a quite good bid instead of dbl - but if he believe that dbl is penalty in that position - ok.I took the chance and opponents made one small mistake in defense - and 12 tricks came home - 100% - B) Should I bid 1st time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Good question, much more interesting then the other ones. I wouldn't bid the first time around. Most people here play that a jump to 4C shows 5-5 in hearts and clubs but this hand is not good enough imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I think I would overcall 3H with the south hand. The hand with shortness is the one who needs to stretch. You can definitely get overboard, but 2S float is very possible if you pass. I would bid 2N with the north hand, but I know several players who pass with this hand type at this vulnerability. It is pretty sound, you're probably going to get 200 or more, so if you don't have a game the pass wins. Having a game is less likely given norths lack of trick source. However, I still usually bid with the north hands, I fear the type of disaster that would have happened had north passed on this hand B) 4H was perfectly normal, your pard is playing adjective bridge when he calls his X penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I would overcall 3H but then they expect this. X is only penalty if he hesitated or banged down the red card hard enough that your teeth rattled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 This is very close, but I would overcall 3♥. Thank god I am not vul. Partner's double is NOT penalty. If any bid was 'stupid', it was double. What would I bid? Probably pass at this vulnerability. I have 18 hcp and I need my partner to have enough to raise me to game if I balance. If I can make 120 or 150, I rate to be 200 or 300 on defence. And if I am only +100 (a make seems most unlikely) then I may be -50 or 100 in 2N. Imps, I balance 2N for sure, since the upside is far greater then the downside (400 or 430 against 200 while I will rarely get doubled even when 2N is fated for -1 or 2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 X is only penalty if he hesitated or banged down the red card hard enough that your teeth rattled. also if he put the stop card on the table before Xing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I would pass the first round, but North has a ridiculous Dbl (unless it's clear penalty, but who plays this in front of the suit anyway??). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=e&n=saj962hkq7dk96ckq&s=s8haj1083dq7ca9832]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] Bidding: East South West North 2♠ pass pass Dblpass 4♥ There were no agreements on anything special over 2♠. Double from North. Well now you get to know who is who.North was my partner.He meant Dbl - as penalty - well how could I know?You bid stupid partner he wrote.Well - I think 2 NT in Norths hand is a quite good bid instead of dbl - but if he believe that dbl is penalty in that position - ok.I took the chance and opponents made one small mistake in defense - and 12 tricks came home - 100% - ;) Should I bid 1st time? I would bid 3H (barely). I believe strongly in bidding agressively with singletons in the opponents suit, and to give partner slack when he appears to have shortness in the opps suit.... Switch the diamonds and the spades, and I would pass 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jikl Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 It is a real double when you draw an axe dripping blood on it first then casually toss it into the centre of the table for all to see ;) Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Double is take out, never penalty. You need take out more often then punishement.I think that South should bid, very nice hand, 11HCP 5-5, 6 loosers: 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Very close but OK for 3♥ overcall. You probably found the only player in this world who plays dbl as penalty in this position ! ;) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I would suggest never playing with this person again and tell all your friends to also not play with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Well no one i know, would expect dbl to be penalty here (unless agreed otherwise).So i can't see, anything wrong here. Bidding 4♥ is ok, if you don't have better methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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