Echognome Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sj874h32dkq954ck5]133|100|Scoring: IMP1NT* - (P) - P - (2♠)P - (P) - ?[/hv]*13-15 Our agreements are that double is penalty if RHO overcalls and takeout here in the passout seat. 1) Is that agreement sensible? playable? horrible? 2) In the passout seat with our agreement as above, what is your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Just my opinion here... 1) Is that agreement sensible? playable? horrible? Playable.However, I prefer the "all doubles are t/o" approach (which indeed loses some penalty chances when responder does have a penalty pass and opener cannot reopen because he is not short in opps suit) 2) In the passout seat with our agreement as above, what is your call? Pass. If double is takeout here, then it is not an option, and any other option sounds weird.Once we have decided (at the previous round, by passing) that this hand was not worth an invite, it makes no sense to bid 2NT, at least at IMPS: let's just defend undoubled and collect our small plus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 1) It's fine as long as what they bid is a real suit, you need -in my opinion- to have different agreements for 2♣ capp and 2♦ capp where the minors are not real suits. 2) From the Law Of Total Tricks perspective Pass is the right call, they have 7 trumps we have 7,8 or 9 in diamonds, not enough to bid 3♦ over 2♠. Note: I wouldn't have passed 1NT I would have bid 2♣ Stayman, over 2♠ then I have an easy invitation, over 2♦ I can pass and over 2♥ I can stretch to bid 2NT and only then I'm overbidding a little. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 That treatment is fine. I think you just have to pass here given those agreements and take your plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 1) Its playable, and its seems to be more common than having a penalty in the balance seat UNDER the bidder. WIn some, lose some (you lost here). 2) I'll pass. Our weak NT has jockeyed them into a 6-1 / 5-2 fit (or worse). Seems trying for a plus in 2♠ is the best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 The agreement is reasonable, but I prefer takeout throughout - the takeout double is more useful for a hand that hasn't yet passed, IMO. Pass looks obvious now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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