Echognome Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=shakt8752dj8764ct]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] This hand produced a few different calls tonight. What's your choice here and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 4♥ seems obvious to me with 5 losers at red. When you are 7-5 with a much better heart suit, you should forget about Jxxxx diamonds. 4♥ has the additional advantage of shutting out spades at a convenient level. I usually dislike pre-empting with a void, but when it's at game level I don't have such qualms. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 4♥ Opps generally have ♠ so time to create them some problems. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Ditto all that, this is a 4♥ opening at these colours. Reverse the vulnerability and THEN you get a lot of different answers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 1♥ or 4♥. I vote for 1♥. The chance for 6♥ seams good and just 4 loosing tricks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 1♥ or 4♥. I vote for 1♥. The chance for 6♥ seams good and just 4 loosing tricks... 4 losers!? So you consider the heart suit solid I take it. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Yes, if partner has an dubleton, it's solid (for the 6♥ I'll need some ♥ support - that was the reason not to open 4♥). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Yes, if partner has an dubleton, it's solid (for the 6♥ I'll need some ♥ support - that was the reason not to open 4♥). It's solid if partner has a doubleton you claim. Allow me to remind you that a 2-2 break is only 40% whereas a 3-1 break is roughly 50%. Not counting a loser in hearts is dangerous in my opinion. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I'd rather say 6♦ has more chance to make than 6♥, but I'd open 4♥ anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Easy 4♥, if I open 1♥ I'm nit going to stop before 4.... - will you tell us what the other bids were ? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Easy 4♥ Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 4♥ For slam to have much of a chance, pard needs a VERY specific diamond holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchiu Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 In real life: 4♥ WTP?On forums: 1♠ WTH? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 In real life: 4♥ WTP?On forums: 1♠ WTH? B) Then pass pards 4H splinter :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Either 1♥ or 4♥. My first second reaction was 1♥, but now that I think about the colors 4♥ seems better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I'm opening 4♥ and playing to rebid 5♦ over a spade contract.I am VERY tempted to open 5♥ however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I am VERY tempted to open 5♥ however. He's not kidding, he's the only person that's ever opened 5H against me B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Yep, and he is the only person who ever opened 5H as my partner. Heck, that was the same hand! To hrothgar's credit, we won a fair amount of IMPs on the hand (perhaps not because of the preempt but that's another story). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I am VERY tempted to open 5♥ however. He's not kidding, he's the only person that's ever opened 5H against me B) I follow the rule of 1100-1400-1800... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 3H if playing sound openers1H otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 the posts about 5h raised a question in my mind... cohen (and others) say the 5M means "i have 11 tricks and i'm only missing the A and K of this suit, which i deem to be trumps"... i take it nobody else plays that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 the posts about 5h raised a question in my mind... cohen (and others) say the 5M means "i have 11 tricks and i'm only missing the A and K of this suit, which i deem to be trumps"... i take it nobody else plays that? Thats how I play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchiu Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 In real life: 4♥ WTP?On forums: 1♠ WTH? ;) Then pass pards 4H splinter :P At least someone's on the same wavelength. Anyways, opening 5♥ for anything other than solidsuit missing the AK is an atrocity. The last time Iremotely considered using that as an "extension" of4♥, I had already consumed two bottles of wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Anyways, opening 5♥ for anything other than solidsuit missing the AK is an atrocity. The last time Iremotely considered using that as an "extension" of4♥, I had already consumed two bottles of wine. Please consider the following: Justin stated that he had never seen a 5♥ opening before I sprung one on him. I suspect that there might have been some exaggeration for effect, but the basic principle still stands. 5♥ as an asking bid for the Ace or King of your long suit is incredibly rare. First of all, you need the other three suit controlled Second you need a suit that is long/strong enough to set as the trump suit Finally, despite the fact that you have an 8 card trump suit or some such, you're asking partner if he has a trump honor Using 5♥ to show some other hand type might be an atrocity, but at least you get to open 5♥ once and a while. I suspect that a reasonable case can be made to use 5♥ as some form of obstructive bid, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 If anyone was curious, the hand was roughly as follows: [hv=d=s&v=n&n=skqxxxxhxdqcq8xxx&w=saxhxxdakt9xxxcj9&e=sjt9xxhqjxdcaktxx&s=shaktxxxxdj8xxxcx]399|300|Scoring: IMP3♥ - 4♦* - P - 6♠!P - P - X - All Pass[/hv]*Diamonds and Spades This was one of our biggest disaster boards imaginable. I misbid as West, forgetting that we play non-leaping michael's. Partner then decides his hand is worth 6♠. 1400 later we both couldn't really say anything. Ouch! The result wasn't really relevant to the problem. In the post mortem people were discussing what South should bid. I said "looks an obvious 4♥ bid to me." People looked at me like I was crazy. Thanks for bringing back my sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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