the great multi defeated

[Free]

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You hold:

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sq52hq93dq5cat964]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

The bidding goes (starting on your right):

2♦* - pass - 2♠* - 3♦

3♥ - ...

 

2♦ = multi: weak in a Major or strong hands

2♠ = interest in ♥, to play when it's ♠

 

What do you bid now?

 

*Will be continued*

[Blofeld]

Think I'd try 3NT.

[mr1303]

I think I'll pass this one.

 

1) I don't think my heart stop is good enough to bid 3NT. If partner hits with Jx too bad.

 

2) Partner is entitled to play me for around 7-8 HCP. Discounting the Q of hearts, I don't have anything more than that.

 

Partner is still there, if he has more than a minimum he can try again.

[whereagles]

Easy 3NT. All I need is pard's 6 diamonds to the AK and the club king.

[hrothgar]

Nasty hand

 

Give parter as little as Jx in Hearts and 3N will have good play

Give partner xx in Hearts and 3NT could be off the first 6 tricks

 

Regretfully, I think that this is going to be a guessing game.

I'm going to pass...

 

I'm not brave enough to try to find 5m. If partner is this strong, he'll take some other action. I expect that the opps have an 8 card heart fit with the Ace and the King.

By my calculations, they have 6 vacant spaces where the Jack of Hearts could fall. Partner only has two.

[helene_t]

I double. Not sure excactly what double means but this hand can't be off by many marks. I hope that first dbl and then 3NT over p's 3♠ shows a doubt about the hearts stops.

[benlessard]

I wont pass this for sure. Partner 3d isnt cheese. Hes definitely not bidding 7 of my pts.

 

I think i would X (show cards bal type)

 

if partner bid 3s ill bid 3nt showing d tol and unsure stoppers.

 

if he bid 4s ill bid 5d.

 

and over 4c or 4d ill pass.

 

 

5d or 5c could easily be the best game.

 

 

Partner could pass with extra value and 2 baby he knows i woulndt X with a stiff♥ hearts.

 

W vs R its far from sure they have a 9c H fit.

 

 

Ben

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I Pass.

 

You did not mentioned, that 2S is

an invitation to play 4H, did you

only forget to mention this?

 

Marlowe

[Walddk]

3NT. RHO is the one with 6 hearts, so xx opposite my Qxx is enough. No jack needed, they can't run the suit. Even if partner has a singleton, there is chance that we can block the suit.

 

Roland

[cherdano]

3NT. RHO is the one with 6 hearts, so xx opposite my Qxx is enough. No jack needed, they can't run the suit. Even if partner has a singleton, there is chance that we can block the suit.

 

Roland

I agree. If RHO wins the lead with the ace, then underleads from AKxxxx, I will hand him over some ego points, but so be it.

 

This is a typical bad hand for multi, btw. If the bidding had started 2♥-3♥, partner couldn't show his diamonds without bypassing 3N.

 

Arend

[Walddk]

I agree. If RHO wins the lead with the ace, then underleads from AKxxxx, I will hand him over some ego points, but so be it.

We are safe every time hearts are 2-6. If RHO really has AKxxxx as suggested, playing the queen can't lose - not even if LHO, cunningly, has led low from Kx opposite AJ10xxx.

 

If RHO returns the jack, it is also safe to insert the queen.

 

Roland

[Finch]

Hi,

 

I Pass.

 

You did not mentioned, that 2S is

an invitation to play 4H, did you

only forget to mention this?

 

Marlowe

Not everyone plays a 2S response to the multi like that.

If you had a hand that would have passed a weak 2S but raised a weak 2H to 3H, you can also respond 2S.

[cherdano]

I agree. If RHO wins the lead with the ace, then underleads from AKxxxx, I will hand him over some ego points, but so be it.

We are safe every time hearts are 2-6. If RHO really has AKxxxx as suggested, playing the queen can't lose - not even if LHO, cunningly, has led low from Kx opposite AJ10xxx.

 

If RHO returns the jack, it is also safe to insert the queen.

 

Roland

Yes, but I was assuming heart 6331 around the table. I assume you were planning to play low in case it goes low heart lead to the ace, low return (trying to block the suit).

 

Arend

[Walddk]

I agree. If RHO wins the lead with the ace, then underleads from AKxxxx, I will hand him over some ego points, but so be it.

We are safe every time hearts are 2-6. If RHO really has AKxxxx as suggested, playing the queen can't lose - not even if LHO, cunningly, has led low from Kx opposite AJ10xxx.

 

If RHO returns the jack, it is also safe to insert the queen.

 

Roland

Yes, but I was assuming heart 6331 around the table. I assume you were planning to play low in case it goes low heart lead to the ace, low return (trying to block the suit).

 

Arend

OK, then you are on a guess. This will depend on who my RHO is. Some partnerships have the (strange) agreement that you must lead highest in partner's suit from 3, even 3 to an honour. I never understood that concept.

 

If hearts really are 6331, it would obviously be a disaster to lead the king or ace from Kxx and Axx.

 

Roland

[Free]

Hi,

 

I Pass.

 

You did not mentioned, that 2S is

an invitation to play 4H, did you

only forget to mention this?

 

Marlowe

Not everyone plays a 2S response to the multi like that.

If you had a hand that would have passed a weak 2S but raised a weak 2H to 3H, you can also respond 2S.

I don't really understand what you (Marlowe) mean here. I said "2♠ is interest in ♥, to play with ♠". So it's basicly like Frances says: he would've passed after a natural 2♠ opening, and would've raised or invited game after natural a 2♥ opening. I don't care what anyone plays except my opponents on this board :) . They play it this way, and you can trust their bids! B)

[Gerben42]

Where are the ♠? Responder shouldn't have more than 2, partner no more than 4, I have 3 so OPENER should have 4 of those, yuck!

 

♥: Partner should have a singleton for opps bidding, and opps have 6 - 3.

 

It seems that 3NT might be troublesome to say the least, if he has:

 

KJxx

x

AKJxxx

xx

 

the best we can do now is to pass.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I Pass.

 

You did not mentioned, that 2S is

an invitation to play 4H, did you

only forget to mention this?

 

Marlowe

Not everyone plays a 2S response to the multi like that.

If you had a hand that would have passed a weak 2S but raised a weak 2H to 3H, you can also respond 2S.

I don't really understand what you (Marlowe) mean here. I said "2♠ is interest in ♥, to play with ♠". So it's basicly like Frances says: he would've passed after a natural 2♠ opening, and would've raised or invited game after natural a 2♥ opening. I don't care what anyone plays except my opponents on this board :rolleyes: . They play it this way, and you can trust their bids! B)

Hi,

 

I understand that not everyone plays my way.

I just wanted to make sure, that 2S is in esence

a "preemptive" heart raise to 3H.

 

And according to your words, it is not even clear,

that the raise to 3H is preemtive, it may still be

invitational, ... which is a difference.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Syl20]

Pass.

 

1) 6 ♥ headed by AK are not enough for 9 tricks in notrump.

 

2) 3NT can cost a lot if partner is minimum (he never said he was maximum, but used the 2!s bid to pursue the pre-empt).

 

3) 3NT, as a save or psych, should not even work since 2!s is non forcing (2NT shows 14+) and the opponents are aware that we have a maximum of 23 Hcp.

[whereagles]

It seems that 3NT might be troublesome to say the least, if he has:

 

KJxx

x

AKJxxx

xx

Pard probably doesn't hold that hand, since he might have passed 2♠, intending to double 3♥ for take-out later.

 

I agree 3NT might be a disaster if pard doesn't have the right cards, or if diamonds misbehave. But the point is you have no way to know whether 3NT makes or not. And in doubt... bid game.

 

One thing is certain, if you pass, you run a serious risk of ending up defending 3♥. Does that sound like a good score to you? I don't think so. But then again, I've been proven wrong before. On occasion :rolleyes:

 

Still, even if pard has extras and doubles 3♥, you'll have another headache deciding to whether to pass or bid.

[Free]

Ok, so apparently most people bid 3NT. Now partner bids 4♠. What now?

 

2♦* - pass - 2♠* - 3♦

3♥ - 3NT - pass - 4♠

pass - ...

[cherdano]

Ok, so apparently most people bid 3NT. Now partner bids 4♠. What now?

 

2♦* - pass - 2♠* - 3♦

3♥ - 3NT - pass - 4♠

pass - ...

I have a huge hand for partner now, a grand is possible. I am sure someone will say 4N is obviously 6-KCB now, but I have my doubts... 5♣ seems clear, I think I would follow-up with 6♠ over pretty much anything.

 

Arend

[han]

I think that 4NT is no form of keycards, it should be to play. We have 3 big cards for partner and a nice fit, I agree with 5C followed by 6S over partner's likely 5D or 5H. This should show that we have nothing to cuebid besides the club ace but several other useful features.

[Guest Jlall]

Hmm I feel like I'm looking at a different hand from everyone else. I would pass 4S and hope partner makes :rolleyes: When partner is 5-6 he deserves a lot of leeway for bidding. Is AKxxx x Axxxxx x really so unlikely? I would consider this a very strong hand, and in that case he will need luck to make and deal with the tap he is about to face.

[mikeh]

One poster earlier commented (accurately, in context) that this hand looked like a bad one for multi, in that a 2♥ - 3♥ sequence would prevent north from bidding 3♦.

 

Now it looks as if the multi worked out ok. Over 2♥ 3♥, partner would be bidding 4♥ and we'd be back to where we are.

 

Sometimes it takes more courage to pass than to bid, and this may be one of those hands. Partner may well have the hand suggested by Justin: certainly we'd all (I think) bid that way with it.

 

He may also have the equivalent of AKJxx x AKJxxx x, and bid the same way.

 

One thought: the ♠ are likely breaking: if LHO held 4 ♠, it seems unlikely, at white v red, that he would bid 2♠. Either he has 2 and RHO 3 or he has 3=4 in the majors, and in that case it is entirely possible that partner is 5=0=6=2 .

 

That means that we may not need the ♠J or that a suit of only AJ10xx may be enough in slam: AJ10xx x AKxxxx x is not great, but may well make slam in either pointed suit.

 

After considerable torment, I am bidding a (not very convinced) 5♣. Should partner bid 5N, choice of slams, I choose ♦. Should he bid 5♦, I pass.

[Echognome]

As a related note, my view on the weakness of the multi is that it's susceptible to natural overcalls in a minor (which I play roughly as 10-13 with a decent suit). Responder is now apprehensive to make a call if he doesn't have both majors and they may miss an easy game or sometimes a slam. I've seen it happen.