A bidding problem

[andych]

[hv=n=sq762hkq84dj87ck8&s=sak98543hd42ct643]133|200|East 1♦

South 3♠ *

West 4♥

North Pass **

East Pass

South Pass ***[/hv]

 

 

 

 

Comment on

(*) South 3♠

(**) North Pass

(***) South Pass

 

[hv=w=sjthaj96532d9caj9&e=sht7dakqt653cq752]266|100|4♥ makes[/hv]

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I would have bid 4S over 4H, but it is close.

 

I have 4 card support, and 2 1/2 defencive

tricks against 4H, i.e. if partner contributes

one trick, 4H can fail.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[awm]

I would bid 4♠ with the south hand except at unfavorable colors. The 7-4 shape and ♠AK make the hand more powerful.

 

North's pass is a reasonable tactical move. It seems unlikely that 4♠ will make in spite of the big trump fit -- ♣A is fairly likely to be in opener's hand, and that could be four minor losers off the top, not to mention that there's no reason south can't have 7-1-2-3 or 7-1-3-2 shape and lose a heart as well. On the other hand, 4♥ is hardly a sure bet to make, and there are a number of positions of the cards where both games fail.

[andych]

I would bid 4♠ with the south hand except at unfavorable colors. The 7-4 shape and ♠AK make the hand more powerful.

 

North's pass is a reasonable tactical move. It seems unlikely that 4♠ will make in spite of the big trump fit -- ♣A is fairly likely to be in opener's hand, and that could be four minor losers off the top, not to mention that there's no reason south can't have 7-1-2-3 or 7-1-3-2 shape and lose a heart as well. On the other hand, 4♥ is hardly a sure bet to make, and there are a number of positions of the cards where both games fail.

You would bid 4♠ at * or at ***?

 

Regardless, suppose the bidding goes as described until *** would you bid 4♠?

If you bid 4♠, what makes you do that, when your 1st call is 3♠?

[Blofeld]

I would bid 4♠ at *. Having taken a view with 3♠ instead, I would certainly pass at *** - the opponents have been put to a guess and there is no guarantee that they're in the right place.

 

I would probably bid 4♠ at **, but I can understand the arguments against.

[Free]

Comments to *, ** and *** are the same for me: it depends on agreements and vulnerability (and perhaps even scoring). But I'd probably end up in 4♠ at all vulnerabilities...

[Walddk]

6 losers, so 3♠ V and 4♠ NV. "Rule of 2-3".

 

Roland

[mr1303]

Unless I'm at unfavourable vulnerability, I'd bid 4S, otherwise 3S (as South).

 

Having seen partner only bid 3S, I would pass as North. Almost all my values are defensive, I'm balanced, and opponents are even likely to be in a dodgy spot. Hence I'm quite happy to defend 4H.

 

Bidding in position *** would not occur to me in a million years. It would be a great breach of partnership discipline to do so.

[andych]

Both side NV

 

Last board of Playing a IMP match, leading by 2 imp at the moment.

 

 

Is * a clear 4♠?

After S 3♠, is North having a diff call? Should he do something (X or 4♠) rather than pass?

Has South done his part after *3♠ (no matter if you think he should bid 4♠ at *), should he bid further after partner PASS? Is it a difficult call?

[Walddk]

Both side NV

 

Last board of Playing a IMP match, leading by 2 imp at the moment.

 

 

Is * a clear 4♠?

After S 3♠, is North having a diff call? Should he do something (X or 4♠) rather than pass?

Has South done his part after *3♠ (no matter if you think he should bid 4♠ at *), should he bid further after partner PASS? Is it a difficult call?

Non vulnerable advancer won't have a problem, because 4♠ is the overcall in my opinion. 7 tricks I "promise", but nothing about how many defensive tricks I have. Could be none, like KQJxxxxx and out.

 

Roland

[andych]

Both side NV

 

Last board of Playing a IMP match, leading by 2 imp at the moment.

 

 

Is * a clear 4♠?

After S 3♠, is North having a diff call? Should he do something (X or 4♠) rather than pass?

Has South done his part after *3♠ (no matter if you think he should bid 4♠ at *), should he bid further after partner PASS? Is it a difficult call?

As a good bridge player, one should get used to stay updated while the hand proceeds, no matter how much you disagree with pd play in last trick, or last few tricks......

 

So for further posts, please answer the 3 questions 1 by 1, no matter your answer to 1st / 2nd questions disagrees with the actual table bidding.....

[Guest Jlall]

I would overcall 4S if white/red otherwise I like 3S.

 

Norths pass was reasonable, especially at imps. I think at MP equal vul I would save since it is almost sure to be less costly than 4H if it makes. At imps I wouldn't save since they will go down often enough to make it not worthwhile.

 

Souths second pass having bid 3S is automatic. Don't preempt and bid again (unless partner has bid a new suit).

[ArtK78]

Depending on the vulnerability, South's hand is either a 3S or a 4S overcall.

 

I may be alone on this, but I think the North hand is a clear 4S call. Yes, you have some defense. But partner has already told you that your spade holding is good on offense and worthless on defense, and the chance of his contributing anything to the defense is small.

 

You may beat 4H. But you will not be down much at 4S (if at all). I would be surprised if both sides go down.

 

At IMPs, it is vitally important to avoid a double game swing. So I believe that 4S by North is automatic. At matchpoints, you just have to be right. However, do not discount the possibility that EW will bid again over 4S.

[andych]

Depending on the vulnerability, South's hand is either a 3S or a 4S overcall.

 

I may be alone on this, but I think the North hand is a clear 4S call. Yes, you have some defense. But partner has already told you that your spade holding is good on offense and worthless on defense, and the chance of his contributing anything to the defense is small.

 

You may beat 4H. But you will not be down much at 4S (if at all). I would be surprised if both sides go down.

 

At IMPs, it is vitally important to avoid a double game swing. So I believe that 4S by North is automatic. At matchpoints, you just have to be right. However, do not discount the possibility that EW will bid again over 4S.

I am indeed South and 100% with you. You say all what I want to say.

 

North has defence for sure, but where is the 4 tricks required? Is it too much for both ♠ and ♣ working so you get 2♥1♠1♣?

 

Chance of getting 3♥ is too slim? South has at most 1♥ in most cases.

 

 

 

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