kenrexford Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 P-1D-1S-X-? You hold Qxx-Jxxx-x-KQJxx. Your call? My selection worked out because the remaining auction allowed us to declare or defend the right contract in the right manner. Actually, the hand was botched, but for poor reasons. But, we were enabled to do the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Good hand for "transfers" where you could transfer to clubs and then bid 2S to show a lead directional raise with clubs. I think I will take the minor risk of 2C getting passed out and committing myself to the 3 level and bid 2C to be followed with a 3S bid (so partner knows im not just preferencing). Prefer a fit jump to promise 9 cards if we even play them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 2D, showing an inv. raise of spades Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Good hand for "transfers" where you could transfer to clubs and then bid 2S to show a lead directional raise with clubs. I think I will take the minor risk of 2C getting passed out and committing myself to the 3 level and bid 2C to be followed with a 3S bid (so partner knows im not just preferencing). Prefer a fit jump to promise 9 cards if we even play them here. What he said (including the comment that 3!C fit jump should promise 4 spades) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 yeah,Fit jump show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dodgy Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 first reaction is 2♦, as marlowe, though 2♣ or even XX are reasonable by my methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 :D Opponents have a diamond fit, but probably not a heart fit. 2♠ has the virtue of possibly buying the hand and shutting out their diamond fit. 2♣ is best if you expect to have to make a choice over the opponents 3♦ bid. Hmmm............ I'm going to take a feel of the table. If the opponents look eager, I bid 2♣. If they look lethargic, 2♠. Otherwise, it depends on the caliber and temperament of the opponents and the state of the match. Against high quality junior opponents (i.e. eager and confident of their dummy play), I suspect 2♣ would recommend itself more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 2♣ seems fair. If somehow this wins the bidding, it might still make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I amnot sure if 3♣ would show fit or not on this auction, I would bid only 2♣ to avoid missunderstandings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 2S at MP's. This will make it more difficult (compared to 2C or 2D) for opps to find their D fit. (BTW: 2S only shows 3-card support in my methods, no points).2D or 3C at IMP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 The format was IMPs, and I elected 3C. Sure, four card support is nice, but the lead-directional value seems increased when I have four hearts. In any event, I doubted that we'd play 3C. If anything, we'd be too high in spades. The auction proceeded 3C-P-P-? This made me sweat, as partner turned up with two clubs. The opponents balanced, allowing me to complete the picture with a 3S call, raised to 4S. This was cold if you (1) play the person who doubled 1S and then bid 3D for the heart Ace and (2) do not concede a loser with no losers left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 A sI do not play offen, I still wait for the day to use the Fit showing jump.So, I had used this tool in this hand too, even knowing the downsides of having just 3 spades... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyot Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 2♣. The fear of this being passed all around is pretty much nil. When I rebid 3♠ later, partner will know that I have a reasonably good hand with club values and he might even bid a marginal game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhs1971 Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 3♣, FJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 2♣ possession of the ♠ suit is important here. Chances are that the opps will have something more to say and you can now show belated ♠ support. If our suit were hearts, then I might look for more of a way to establish the fit asap. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 The format was IMPs, and I elected 3C. Sure, four card support is nice, but the lead-directional value seems increased when I have four hearts. In any event, I doubted that we'd play 3C. If anything, we'd be too high in spades. The auction proceeded 3C-P-P-? This made me sweat, as partner turned up with two clubs. The opponents balanced, allowing me to complete the picture with a 3S call, raised to 4S. This was cold if you (1) play the person who doubled 1S and then bid 3D for the heart Ace and (2) do not concede a loser with no losers left.How could you correct to 3♠??? if you intended your bid as fit-showing, and partner passed, has he not shown a hand that wants to play in 3♣? Or did he fail to alert? Which would make 3♠ by you an extremely poor bid. Now, if 3♠ was not fit-showing, you are ok to bid 3♠, but would have made an odd bid with 3♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Ah! This is the beauty of on-line. IF partner failed to alert, or alerted, I would not and did not see it. Hence, I have no "unauthorized" information. I only have the auction, which is fair game. Playing with a pick-up, I assumed that the pass indicated that 3C was not understood. TRUE, I might have sorely misunderstood a very intelligently assessed pass with knowledge that the 3C was fit-showing, but RIGHT! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Then why would you bid 3C if you did not think partner would understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Presumably he thought partner would understand until partner passed 3♣. Not my choice, but ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 If, playing with a pcikup partner, you only make bids you think partner will understand, you pass throughout unless the profile says "world class" it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 It wouldn't occur to me to try a fit jump on an unknown pickup partner. Especially since here, the natural alternative 2C - then 3S is better or at least equally good anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 P-1D-1S-X-? You hold Qxx-Jxxx-x-KQJxx. Your call? My selection worked out because the remaining auction allowed us to declare or defend the right contract in the right manner. Actually, the hand was botched, but for poor reasons. But, we were enabled to do the right thing. To be perfectly clear: Your selection "worked out" because the opponents decided to rescue you from a 5-2 club fit at the three level when you had game in Spades available... I find it difficult to under how a scheme which which requires on sub-optimal play by the opponents can be described as enabling you to do the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Good hand for "transfers" where you could transfer to clubs and then bid 2S to show a lead directional raise with clubs. I think I will take the minor risk of 2C getting passed out and committing myself to the 3 level and bid 2C to be followed with a 3S bid (so partner knows im not just preferencing). Prefer a fit jump to promise 9 cards if we even play them here. Snap-dragon also works fine:x showing clubs and spade tolerence, if partner bids clubs or NT you correct to 2S. If the auction remains competative, you may not get a chance to show all your features no matter if you played x-fer or snap-dragon or yatzee but since spades is the boss suit its likely you will get a chance to bid 2S next...Now if your overcalls are much sounder than mine, this hand might be good enough to venture 3S... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 The format was IMPs, and I elected 3C. Sure, four card support is nice, but the lead-directional value seems increased when I have four hearts. In any event, I doubted that we'd play 3C. If anything, we'd be too high in spades. The auction proceeded 3C-P-P-? This made me sweat, as partner turned up with two clubs. The opponents balanced, allowing me to complete the picture with a 3S call, raised to 4S. This was cold if you (1) play the person who doubled 1S and then bid 3D for the heart Ace and (2) do not concede a loser with no losers left.How could you correct to 3♠??? if you intended your bid as fit-showing, and partner passed, has he not shown a hand that wants to play in 3♣? Or did he fail to alert? Which would make 3♠ by you an extremely poor bid. Now, if 3♠ was not fit-showing, you are ok to bid 3♠, but would have made an odd bid with 3♣ Well in the US, fit jumps show 4 card support for partner and are 100% forcing at least over majors, so he would not have passed if he understood the bid, so really even live there is no UI. If fit jumps show the 6-3 hand (I think its played that way somewhere in the world), then playing them as passable is reasonable. Over minors, many play fit jumps into majors are passable, at least if made by a passed hand. Why would you ever want to play in a minor when you have a likely 9 card major suit fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 By "worked out" I mean that 3C did not end the auction. Of course they could pass, and of course this is not the "optimal scheme." However, we ended up reaching 4S anyway. The point of the question was whether 3C would be recognized as a fit-showing jump. Apparently, it was not to partner. Equally apparently, at least one opponent also missed this when they rescued us. this amazed me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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