olegru Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sj7haqj7432d53cq7]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Given the vulnerability I open 4♥. My partners won't expect more. This is really a style thing. Agree a style and stick to it. AGREEMENT --> DISCIPLINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 3♥ for me. Don't like the quacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyot Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 6.5 LTC means that 4♥ is quite safe and conservative bid. I'm used to playing 5332 or 4332 or 4322, so green vs. red my hand is good enough even in the most conservative setting. (And if partner supports my suit, bidding 5♥ over whatever opps come with, I would gladly raise that to 6♥, knowing that I have originally underbid the hand :). (Yes, green vs. red I will open 4♥ with any hand that would go down 5, making 5 tricks. Here 6 tricks are sure, 7th needs the heart finesse). green vs. green I would open 4♥ as well, red vs. red I would maybe toss a coin (playing 4332) or bid 3♥ (playing 4322) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 4♥ protecting the club Q... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 4♥.. i am not vul and they are.. this is the time to bid em up, and that is overlooing protecting the club queen... I didn't even think of that, but after luis pointed it out it is now clearly obvious..... Serious note, in second seat I would NOT BID 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 geez, getting old here, 3♥ only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 3♥ wrong shape for 4♥: give me 7321 and I bid 4♥. being non-vulnerable is not the same as being invulnerable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 3♥ wrong shape for 4♥: give me 7321 and I bid 4♥. Not only the shape, but also the honor concentration makes this hand a little too defensive for my taste. Give me xx KQJTxxx xx xx and I open 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 1H if I open light, 4H else. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 4H, take away the Jack of spade and the Queen of clubs and this is still a 4H bid for me. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 pass Need to practice my defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Pass for me. This is the sort of hand that falls through the cracks I suppose. In fact this hand has somewhat defensive values, including the ♥A and side Q/J in short suits. I feel that if I bid 4♥, I am too likely to go down when the opponents are not making game. If the opponents compete over my 4♥, then partner is likely to misjudge since this hand could easily be worth as many as 2-3 tricks on defense (♥AQ+♣Q may score). On the other hand, a 3♥ bid (which I would be happy to make at other vulnerabilities) will lead partner to expect a weaker hand and cause us to miss games too frequently. This hand does not qualify as a one-level opening for me. In an interesting contrast with P_Marlowe's post, I would be much more likely to open this hand with a heart preempt if you took away the outside queen and jack. Those cards prevent me from bidding a "normal" 3♥ with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisig Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I rarely comment ...since I usually agree with MikeH. But - Pass seems "out of this world". And 4♥ is like saying "I don't need a partner". Therefore - 3♥ seems more middle of the road and keeps partner in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I rarely comment ...since I usually agree with MikeH. But - Pass seems "out of this world". And 4♥ is like saying "I don't need a partner". Therefore - 3♥ seems more middle of the road and keeps partner in the game. I always comment since I usually agree with Richie and Mike. 3♥ it is because I live by the "Rule of 2-3". Overbid by 3 tricks non vulnerable, by 2 tricks vulnerable. This is a perfect hand for it, and partner will know what to do. He is already supposed to have 3 tricks in order for me to make the contract. Besides, if the opponents take over, there is a chance that my ♣Q will score on defence, since declarer will play my partner for that card. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I am not comfortable opening 2H or 3H with this hand.. I usually have far less at these colors. So the choice is between 1H and 4H. I find my shape very unattractive for 4H so I am opening 1H. Note that I usually play in partnerships that open quite light. Without this understanding I would not open 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 pass Need to practice my defense. hahahahah i'd open it 3H 3♥ it is because I live by the "Rule of 2-3". Overbid by 3 tricks non vulnerable, by 2 tricks vulnerable. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I treat this one as a case of eliminating possibilities. At these colours I'm too heavy for 2♥ or 3♥ - partner will never play me for this much. The shape is horrible so I can't quite bring myself to open 4♥. Which leaves 1♥ and pass. Which I pick is down to partnership agreement on how light we open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Clear-cut 3H for me. I may have a maximum for it, but I'm allowed to have a maximum on occasions. As Paul Bowyer (England U25 coach) said, 6322/7222 shapes are not worth that much on pre-emption. Too many losers. I'm not counting the J of spades or the Q of clubs as having much value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I would NEVER consider 3♥, my hand is waaay too strong for a NV vs V 3-level preempt. Take away 2 ♥ and I'll do it. But ofcourse, that's all about agreement. With Toothbrush I'd pass, but 4♥ is a good alternative imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 3♥ I'm too strong to preempt on the 4 level and to weak to make a game try alone.3♥ shows a good 7card suit, and partner can still try 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 3♥ shows a good 7card suit, and partner can still try 3NT. This is old school imo, these days at this vulnerability people preempt with 6 card suits, or like me with 5 card suits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Why 4♥ is NOT rampage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 1♥ or 4♥, I prefer 1♥ the hand is good (and what if partner has semi-good hand , no need to sacrifice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 I "must" open 1 Heart, because green against red, our preempts are very light, so our opening bids must be a little lighter too. This hand is much too good for 3 Heart in this context. With a pick up Pd, I would bid a simple 3 Heart. 4 Heart will too often put part under pressure to make the last guess. 3 H (3S) p (4 S) p p or 3 H (4S) or similar auctions are much clearer statements then 4 H (4S) ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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