pclayton Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I subbed 2 boards at the club this afternoon. Vulnerable vs Not at Matchpoints You hold: [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sqxhkqxxdqxxxckjx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Pard opens 1♦, you bid 1♥. LHO overcalls 2♣. Pard makes a support double and RHO passes. Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I subbed 2 boards at the club this afternoon. Vulnerable vs Not at Matchpoints You hold: Dealer: North Vul: N/S Scoring: MP ♠ Qx ♥ KQxx ♦ Qxxx ♣ KJx Pard opens 1♦, you bid 1♥. LHO overcalls 2♣. Pard makes a support double and RHO passes. Your call? Depends on how sound your opening bids are... If I can count on a reasonable sound opening, I'm going to bid 3N...Sure, I got quacks, but I know where most of the values are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 3NT, I don't have the imagination to bid anything else. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 3NT, but wouldn't be surprised if this goes down due to lack of aces... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 i'd bid 2nt i guess... the clubs aren't very good, in context... at imps it would be 3nt, but not here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 2N at matchpoints, as the conditions of contest suggest. This Aceless, trickless hand is not worth the full 13 that Milton Work would have us count. After the initial ♣ lead, I cannot let RHO on lead, and I still have to come up with another 8 tricks. Imps, 3N is obvious and possibly wrong, but the plus score rules at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysen2k Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Only 2NT. Your clubs aren't pulling their weight since LHO bid them, even though they are a likely opening lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 would really like to suggest playing in diamonds here, which leads me to be wary of bidding 3NT. I voted for 3♣ with no particular idea of what I was trying to achieve. Some vague thought of bidding 3NT next round - but would this be showing a 5th heart? I'm not used to support doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Across the table I held: ♠AKxx, ♥10xx, ♦AJTx, ♣9x. My partner passed (!) the support double, which I don't think is that bad of a bid, but declarer (the client) wrapped 8 tricks when the pro flopped: ♠JTxxx, ♥xx, ♦Kxx, ♣8xx. We actually had an above-average board with -180. 3N is no fun and most of the field was -200. By the way, I think 3N is an overbid, especially at MPs, and probably at IMPs. Even at IMPs, if pard passes 2N, how upset can you be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Across the table I held: ♠AKxx, ♥10xx, ♦AJTx, ♣9x. My partner passed (!) the support double, which I don't think is that bad of a bid, but declarer (the client) wrapped 8 tricks when the pro flopped: ♠JTxxx, ♥xx, ♦Kxx, ♣8xx. We actually had an above-average board with -180. 3N is no fun and most of the field was -200. By the way, I think 3N is an overbid, especially at MPs, and probably at IMPs. Even at IMPs, if pard passes 2N, how upset can you be? 3NT may be a slight over bid, however, 2NT went down as well... 2NT is trying to thread the needle. Range really isn't a good preditor whether 3Nt is going to make. Its doubtful that partner is going to be able to make an intelligent decision. In short, ***** happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Across the table I held: ♠AKxx, ♥10xx, ♦AJTx, ♣9x. My partner passed (!) the support double, which I don't think is that bad of a bid, but declarer (the client) wrapped 8 tricks when the pro flopped: ♠JTxxx, ♥xx, ♦Kxx, ♣8xx. We actually had an above-average board with -180. 3N is no fun and most of the field was -200. By the way, I think 3N is an overbid, especially at MPs, and probably at IMPs. Even at IMPs, if pard passes 2N, how upset can you be? 3NT may be a slight over bid, however, 2NT went down as well... 2NT is trying to thread the needle. Range really isn't a good preditor whether 3Nt is going to make. Its doubtful that partner is going to be able to make an intelligent decision. In short, ***** happens Everyone is a product of their own experience, but mine tells me that preserving plus scores in high-scoring strains tends to pay off well in MP's. I suppose the best argument for 3N is that the herd rates to be there, since this hand has "13 points". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Everyone is a product of their own experience, but mine tells me that preserving plus scores in high-scoring strains tends to pay off well in MP's. I suppose the best argument for 3N is that the herd rates to be there, since this hand has "13 points". I'd say that the best argument for 3NT is that you have a balanced hand with opening values opposite partner's opener... I agree that you hand has devalued slightly because the Clubs are sitting over you. With this said, your hand revalues significantly because partner is sitting on an opener. (Its much easier to make a 24 HCP game with a balanced 12 count opposite a balanced 12 count than it is with a balanced 24 count opposite nada) Equally significant, LHO has nice placed the missing cards for you which shout help the contract a well... I readily admit that 3N is a gamble, but 2NT is a gamble as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 unless partner could be super light. i can see no intelligent reason to not bid 3nt. partner is either balanced (we have probably 2 clubs stoppers). is 4351 .. worse hand for us. or hes got 1336 pattern in wich case we want to be in 3nt. Of course 3nt could go down but bidding 2nt partner can pass and you make 4. Plus the field will be in 3nt. So unless i need to finish 1st ,2nd,3rd in a 500 pairs field im not going to take an underdog anti-field decision. ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I bid 2NT and I think that this is fairly clear. This really isn't such a great hand to start with (although I would certainly force to game without the enemy overcall) but after 2C I must downgrade. I do think that passing the support double is bad. Very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I readily admit that 3N is a gamble, but 2NT is a gamble as well... Yes. And an even less warranted one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 3NT, I don't have the imagination to bid anything else. Roland 3NT too I probably have the same imagination as Roland ! :P You can go down in 2NT or make 4NT so I bid the average : 3NT :P Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I bid 3NT. One down, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 3NT, and with my intimidating look I'll distract opps and make my contract :P I just think 3NT is the normal bid, no reason for something exotic here imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I also bid 3NT, but then I play sound opening bids.Partner's hand isn't great (if he had a 5th diamond it would have been on the diamond finesse) and even then it's got play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 If we have a combined 25 count, I'm going to be in game, Mrs Guggenheim (or however it's spelt) is going to be in game, everyone and his auntie are going to be in game. I'm just going to go one less off than everyone else.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I have a crock of poor cards really and as stated previous I am unable to permit RHO to get the lead to track a C thorugh my gizzard. My LHO could hold easily 6C AQ and some other random card. I need partner to ahve a good hand to win the race to 9 tricks. If they have that hand they will raise 2N to 3. I consider 2N a no brainer at pairs. Even at imps I am not so sure 3N would be wise even though I have 13. I expect 3N to go down most days if poor partner is not able to raise 2 to 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 To all of you who mastermind a 2NT rebid rather than 3NT: do you think he will raise with KxAxxAJ10xxxxx or JxxAxxAKxxxxx Excuse me, but 2NT is bid a you make at the desk or at the keyboard when you get it presented as a problem. At the table you bid a practical 3NT instead of trying to convince yourself that you will make exactly 8 tricks. That's an illusion, and since none of us is a magician, I think it's wiser to stick to bridge. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Of course 2NT is the value bid (*), but I mastermind 3N because LHO may not know not to lead a club when that is right, and diamond or spade finesses rate to be on (or the heart ace safely with LHO in case partner has ♥Jxx). It evidently depends a lot on partner's heart holding and diamond length. Unfortunately, I would guess partner is more likely to hold 4 spades than 5 diamonds. Arend (*) Hehe, if you want to argue for downgrading balanced aceless quacks, you can always point at K&R which evaluates this hand at a whopping 10.65. By the way, would anyone have the guts to pass this hand 1st seat? It must be right on values (if playing a 12-14 1NT rebid), but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 By the way, would anyone have the guts to pass this hand 1st seat? It must be right on values (if playing a 12-14 1NT rebid), but... ... and if playing 12-14 NT. No one, and I repeat no one, would pass a 13 count, and if anyone claims that he/she will, I suggest that they get a new hobby: masterminding. Even Al Roth would open the hand! As it is here, you have a 13 count opposite an opener. That's game in my book. Just like you would have raised to 3NT (if no 2♥ response to Stayman) if partner had opened a 12-14 NT. Finally, in club games (and elsewhere too for that matter) I have seen too many examples of horrible overcalls. It wouldn't even surprise me if partner had ♣Q. I prefer to trust my partner, i.e. his opening, rather than the opponents. Frivolous overcalls are common and they should not intimidate you. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hehe, if you want to argue for downgrading balanced aceless quacks, you can always point at K&R which evaluates this hand at a whopping 10.65. 2 thoughts about this: 1) I have more than once brought up the K&R evaluator for evaluating balanced hand.Yet I was told more than once that K&R does a decent job for unbalanced hands, but not for unbalanced hands (for which there is apparently a better hand evaluator available, but forgot which one) .... 2) It is different to evaulate this hand without other info, and with additional info... Here, we know that:a. opp overcalleed in clubs (so out values in clubs cannot be reall reevaluated, but still, tey do act as stopper) b. even more important, pard opened. If pard openerd, and we hold all the quacks, he certainly is rich in controls, and many of thses quacks will receive power from the AK of opener, hence they should not be downgraded. Shortly, had pard not opened, this hand would be poor, but once pard opens, most of the quacks get complemented by his values. By the way, would anyone have the guts to pass this hand 1st seat? It must be right on values (if playing a 12-14 1NT rebid), but... For exactly the above reasons (e.g. in 1st seat we don't know if oard has useful values to complement the quacks), it is more reasonable to pass this hand in 1st seat than downgrading it to a 2NT bid after pard opens.... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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