olegru Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Teams. In we middle of 12 boards match you are 20 imps down. All vul. You are West. South open 2 ♠ and Partner double it on the 4th sit. [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sa1094hq2da107cq874]133|100|Scoring: IMP(2♠) - pass - (pass) - dbl (pass)- ?[/hv] What will you bid and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 I pass, the spade spots guarantee a second trump trick. Partner's double shouldn't be on air, he is forcing us to the 3-level red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 2NT (Lebensohl), followed by 3NT,showing a solid stopper in spade. I will try to go after our contract,maybe partner surprises us, i.e.he feuses to bid 3C. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Pass. I'm bringing 3 tricks to defence, in addition to my 2 Qs, which should be worth more in defence than in attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 3NTWhile it is true that 2♠ is probably going down some number of tricks it is also true that we migh have a slam or grand slam in this hand, pd is unlimited so passing 2♠x is too unilateral. If pd has a big hand with clubs, diamonds, or hearts with a singleton in spades then all my values will work. With a big hand pd will bid his suit over 3NT and I will be happy to cuebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 I would pass. If I felt like there was some gurantee we'd make 3N I'd bid it, but here it may just be converting a plus into a minus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 3NTWhile it is true that 2♠ is probably going down some number of tricks it is also true that we migh have a slam or grand slam in this hand, pd is unlimited so passing 2♠x is too unilateral. If pd has a big hand with clubs, diamonds, or hearts with a singleton in spades then all my values will work. With a big hand pd will bid his suit over 3NT and I will be happy to cuebid. same for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 3NTWhile it is true that 2♠ is probably going down some number of tricks it is also true that we migh have a slam or grand slam in this hand A.. slam??? Opposite xAKxxKxxxJxxx the only plus you're likely to get is pass. And that's not even the weakest hand pard can have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Depends on style in 4th seat. If it's a good Dbl, then I'll bid 3NT. Otherwise it's an awful problem! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I would pass. If I felt like there was some gurantee we'd make 3N I'd bid it, but here it may just be converting a plus into a minus. Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Pass. 3NT comes with no guarantees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I think I will also pass. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 3NTWhile it is true that 2♠ is probably going down some number of tricks it is also true that we migh have a slam or grand slam in this hand A.. slam??? Opposite xAKxxKxxxJxxx the only plus you're likely to get is pass. And that's not even the weakest hand pard can have. True, but pd can also have a hand where you are cold for 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 True, but pd can also have a hand where you are cold for 7 Indeed. But which is more likely? The above xAKxxKxxxJxxx or xAKxxKxxAKxxx I'd say the first... but if you feel lucky, by all means go for the grand :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 True, but pd can also have a hand where you are cold for 7 Indeed. But which is more likely? The above xAKxxKxxxJxxx or xAKxxKxxAKxxx I'd say the first... but if you feel lucky, by all means go for the grand :) Whereeagles, I don't have the answer to the question, maybe somebody can run a simulation to determine what is best. My reasoning is:Pd might have:1- A light takeout double with shape (as you posted)2- A very strong hand3- A balanced hand with 13-15 hcp With 1 you have to compare 2♠x vs 3NT probably 2♠x wins some imps in average.With 2 when comparing 2♠x vs 6x or 7x you will lose many impsWith 3 2♠x vs 3NT is probably close in terms of imps Then if we compute how likely is 1,2 and 3 we can determine if pass or 3NT is better in average. I have the feeling 3NT is better because it covers the following scenarios: - When pd has a big hand you can discover a slam or grand slam- When 2♠x makes you are not in the tragic 2♠x- When 3NT makes and you can't get a lot from 2♠x But as I said I won't claim pass is wrong and 3NT is right a simulation will give us a better understanding. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 pass is tensive,3nt is too truculent.down 4 is 1100 ,better than 6♣ 1370 since it's more safety & more frequency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Partner has doubled so why not help him by describing our hand to him.. We have ♠s double stopped, we don't have 4♥s, we don't have a long minor and we're better than 6-9 oh 3NT accomplishes all in one bid guess I'll do that then... If partner has a big hand then he can go further ( I suspect not as RHO didn't continue the barrage in 3rd seat)... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I pass, but not because I think it's the right bid. Down by a bunch, we are searching for swings. I suspect that 3NT is the "normal" contract on these cards. If it's not, then partner probably has a light balancing double and we're more likely to win by defending (nick 2♠ a trick or so) than by bidding. Passing produces a swing if the weak two bid wasn't opened at the other table, or if the player with my hand at the other table chooses 3NT (which may be a more normal, or even more successful percentage-wise call). These swings are roughly equally likely to be wins or losses... so state of the match dictates to take them. Passing is more likely to produce a swing board than bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 :lol: Pass, but imo it is close. RHO is odds on to get at least four spade tricks: +1100 for us versus +1390. With one outside trick, is +800 for us versus +1370 (assuming it is bid at the other table). With two outside tricks, it is +500 for us versus +630ish in game. All the foregoing situations favor bidding on, but I need a favorable swing, and +200 or +500 versus -100 is just the ticket. It is also, by far, the single most likely outcome. Further, the contact and/or play at the other table may be suboptimal. Take the sure plus and run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I like awm's reason for passing. I do think it is the "right" call though :lol:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 i'd pass and hope for 1100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Pass. Game is no guarantee opposite a balancing double and if can get 500 or 800 against nothing on for us it will be a significant pick-up. Best would be to get 800 while 3N fails by a trick, and this could be the case. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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