han Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Playing online with the right (wrong?) people, I get to see a lot of psyches. Some are great, some have little effect, and others create disasters. What makes a psyche a good psyche? Here are some examples: [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sxxhxxdqj109xxcxxx]133|100|Pass pass to you, would you open 1NT? How about 1M?[/hv] [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sxxhxxdqj109xxcxxx]133|100|Pass pass to you, would you open 1NT? How about 1M?[/hv] [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sxxhxxdqj109xxcxxx]133|100|Pass pass to you, would you open 1NT? How about 1M?[/hv] I'm sure that you can think of many more. Which psyches are likely to be winners in a serious high-level game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Hand 1: The flatness of the outside suits makes me somewhat fear a psyche here, but if I am going to psyche then, #include <hrothgars_standard_mixed_strategy_rant>. Open 2♦ sometimes, 3♦ sometimes, 1N sometimes, 1♠ sometimes, 1♥ sometimes, pass sometimes. Hand 2: See no reason to psyche here. Want to get to the right spot and just try to right side the contract. Hand 3: Again, mixed strategy. 2♠ sometimes, 2N sometimes, 3N sometimes, 3♥ sometimes, 4♥ sometimes, Pass sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 1N psyches can be effective at a high level, even though they always get smoked out when you are as weak as on hand 1. It is harder for the opponents to find 4-4 fits and reasonably explore slam, mainly because they often wont have a cuebid. They are also on uncharted territory quite often, who discusses their defense to psyches? a 1M psyche is simply way too risky for my blood. Your runout suit is lower than your psyche suit, and bad things can happen. You can't control the auction either. Partner won't go nuts bidding when you open 1N, but he might if he has a big major suit fit and you open 1M. Chris compton said if the rules of bridge weren't as they are right now he would psyche 1N with a similar hand to this 100 % of the time. Hand 2, I would never psyche 2C. Partner is still in the ballgame. Again, it's important to be able to control the auction when you psyche. Psyching opposite an unlimited partner with a good hand is not a good thing to do. This can be effective at deflecting the lead, but I'm quite sure it's a long term loser. Hand 3, psyches like 3N will not be more effective than a 4H bid. a 3N bid will only work when the opponents points are evenly distributed, and they only have at most 28 HCP (usually they need less). Even then since we know someone has a stiff heart they might X. There are few hands I can think of that would X 4H but not 3N in this auction. Additionally, you give them a 4H cuebid, Xing and then overcalling vs overcalling directly, 4m bids, etc etc. You just give them room. Other psyches that can be effective: opening 1N in 3rd on a hand like xx xxx xx AKQxxx. This hand has enough high cards that it might go 1N-3N or something and the opponents can't X, but since you have so little defense they might have 4M. Also if it goes 1N-3N you might make. This reminds me of a semi-bluff in poker. Any psyche after partner makes a 10-12 NT opener. A good one is if it goes 1N and RHO thinks for a while and passes (marking him with about a balanced 13). With xx xxx xx QJxxxx you might consider a 3N bid, because of the tank the high cards are likely split so they probably can't X you. Bidding 2M natural can also be highly effective. a 1N response to partner's opening bid with something like xxxx xx xxx xxxx. A psychic game try or splinter in the right circumstances (again, you must be able to control the auction after this) An auction like 1S p 2S 3D 4S. I had this recently against 2 stars. Because of the wide range of the 3D bid (see OBAR) they couldn't X despite having like 27 HCP. My 4S bid was more of a tactical bid than a psyche but I believe I had a 5-5 ten count. Bidding blackwood with a void before bidding 6 when you're bidding 6 anyways. The opponents may well misdefend. Again, more of a tactical thing. 3C p 4H or the like. A X would be t/o / cards by the opps, so it's tough for them to do anything. Against a world class player my partner once executed this psyche sucessfully. The world class player knew it was a psyche but still didn't know what to do. The most important thing about psyching is having enough judgement to know what is the "right" hand to do it. All this being said, I rarely psyche in serious bridge. If I feel like I am the better team (which, being an arrogant, foolish youth I often do) I pretty much won't psyche. Given the variance, even though it may be a +EV move as opposed to the normal bid total pointswise I feel that it decreases my chances of winning. Against very good players or in a Swiss (where you must kill the bad teams) I may psyche, but I must be sure not to make the same psyche very often and I must have a very specific hand type so that I feel it is a +EV move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 1. No. I would bid 2♦ or 3♦ depending on the vulnerability.2. No. I would bid 2♦, just like I would at the bridge table.3. Maybe. NV against Vul I might try 3NT. I psyche once every other year on average. It's not my style, and I strongly believe that it's not the way forward, regardless of level! Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 My opinions: Hand 1: 1NT is a reasonable psych, especially if your opponents play a convention (like DONT) that does not allow them to make a penalty double. Psyching 1H or 1S is not a good idea. You could get lucky, but you are more likely to go for a number. Hand 2: It would be insane to psych unless perhaps you desperately needed a top board or a large IMP swing and have little confidence in your partnership's ability to generate such a result simply by playing well. As a general rule I would say that psyching in the early rounds of bidding when you have a strong hand is very bad idea. Hand 3: Bidding 3NT is not likely to work as well as bidding 4H if you are playing against strong opponents. Still, I don't think it is totally unreasonable to make some kind of psych on a hand like this (though I doubt I would do this myself). Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 1. I would not psyche: 3♦ is good enough.2. Never ever. We hold the majority of the points.3. Maybe. I'd like better something like 3♦, if it is forcing (or at least a game try). If my LHO holds length/strength in diamonds he might be reluctant to bid. 3N is a bit smelly (and oppos have something like 27-28 points, so a double is quite likely). Possibly, the best psyches come when pard opens 1m, and you bid 1♠ on 2 cards, hoping to be in misfit.My experience is that psyches can work, but must be subtle, and very rarely used. There was that British guy (forgot the name) in the 1950s who was notorious for opening 1♠ in psyche. It was another age, and I'm sure that he had very good judgment: just the notoriety, however, made psyches unlikely to succeed (unless you went for a double bluff; or a triple one :P ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 1: I'd just bid 3♦, never 1M. 1NT might be a winner when opps don't have a penalty Dbl, but I'd rather just take as much bidding space away as possible without smoking myself. 2: No, strong hands don't need psyching in the early rounds. What do you expect partner to do when he has 4♣ and a monster hand? He'll try for slam instead of your 3NT. 3: bidding 3NT on such hands rarely helps. If you want to sacrifice in 4♥, do it immediatly. Everyone knows what 3NT might mean in such situations, so the Dbl from LHO will expose the 'psych' anyway. Imo this qualifies better for a 2♠ psych, or just an immediate 5♥ raise. A hand I psyched recently in 1st seat with success was following:[hv=d=s&v=e&s=sxhqtxdk7xxxckjxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]I opened 1NT (14-16) in 1st seat NV vs V (opps had a penalty dbl available). The entire bidding went:1NT - Dbl - pass* - pass2♦! - pass - pass - Dblpass - pass - 2♠ - Dblall pass* = forces me to RDbl when RHO passes! = exposing the psych imo, but partner still didn't realise this2♠*-3 in a 5-1 fit (instead of 2♦ in a 5-3) for a top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 My partner just psyched. Could've worked out worse :P http://online.bridgebase.com/myhands/fetch...php?id=39662557 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 The one time I played with Fred, we weren't having such good luck so crazy me, Fred opens 2♠ in first seat, pass on my right, I psyche a 2N asking bid with ♠ support and something like 4 or 5 points. If the opps points had been split roughly evenly I might have gotten away with this without getting doubled in the ultimate 3♠ contract. Unfortunately, my LHO had like 20 points and doubled at every opportunity. I think it was equal vul and Fred tried valiantly but couldn't keep it to down 2 so it ended up losing IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Hand 1: The flatness of the outside suits makes me somewhat fear a psyche here, but if I am going to psyche then, #include <hrothgars_standard_mixed_strategy_rant>. Open 2♦ sometimes, 3♦ sometimes, 1N sometimes, 1♠ sometimes, 1♥ sometimes, pass sometimes. Hand 2: See no reason to psyche here. Want to get to the right spot and just try to right side the contract. Hand 3: Again, mixed strategy. 2♠ sometimes, 2N sometimes, 3N sometimes, 3♥ sometimes, 4♥ sometimes, Pass sometimes. Your comment about the flatness of the hand interests me. I think Kit Woolsey (or was it Terrance Reese?) had an example hand where the player psyched with a void and that was a losing action since it kept the opps out of a terrific grand that goes down because of the bad breaks. As to everyone's mixed strategy rants, my usual comment about this is:If you don't play a lot against the same players, but do play a lot with the same partner, mixed strategies actually hurt you. Its much better for partner to know what you have and the opps not. Now having said that, there is full disclosure issues here, but no one alerts mild tendancies. If you do psych the same bid with any frequency, it should become an alert. E.G. If Partner A would overcall 2C over 1D white vs red on: xx Qxx Kx AKxxx and Partner B requires a better hand, you are much better placed if you know partner's style, especially as the opps rarely ever ask these questions. If partner would overcall xx Qxx Kx AKxxx 20% of the time and not the rest, it really doesn't make things more difficult for your opponent, just for you. Now if you play against the same people frequently, or your hands are likely to get press, so that you have a reputation (ZIA?) then its best to not have a reputation for doing the exact same thing every time in the same situation. Here is a bridge problem:You hold: xxxx AJTxx Q xxxWhite vs Red2'nd seat Auction:(1C)-1H-(x)-3H(3S)-P-(4H)-P(4S)-(P)-(6S)-All Pass A: What do you think LHO has?B: Playing rusinow leads and 3 and low, what should you lead?C: Does it matter if LHO was ZIA? How about someone who always has his bids? As an aside, I find semi-bluffs to be more effective than bluffs. For instance opening a strong NT white vs red in 3'rd seat on xx Kx AKJxxxx xx. If partner bids game, you might make, but the opps are much less likely to be able to bid a major suit game over 1N than over a 1D opener. Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 If a pair were intentionally using a mixed strategy then I think that pair would be more likely to disclose rather than less likely. You know Zia uses them so when you face Zia it is always in the back of your mind..."what is he up to now?" Wouldn't we all like our opps second guessing us like they do Zia? So, if possible, I would look for ways to disclose to opps that we use mixed strategies. Would doing so be sufficiently strange as to require a pre-alert? Even if it doesn't rise to that level, you could always tells opps you do it anyways. Can't possibly be a penalty for that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I used to be a frantic psycher. I have since grown up. However, I am convinced that extremely subtle psychic calls can be quite effective against the right (very talented) opposition. One example of an incredibly subtle psychic occurred in Gatlinburg a few years ago, against top-notch world-class opponents. The auction at both tables was identical except for two bids: 1H-1S-2H-2S-3H-3S-4H-4S-X-P-P-P. 4S was a good sacrifice.1H-1S-1NT-2S-3H-3S-4H-P-P-P. This theme can be played out in many auctions, where the side with first knowledge of the Total Tricks situation distorts it slightly. For example, 1x-1Y-1Z-1NT or 1X-1Y-X-1NT when advancer has a three-card or even four-card fit. The parallel to this, of course, is to feign a better fit than is actually held. This includes raising preempts without sufficient backup (even void raises work occasionally) and the like. One of my favorite auctions of this nature was rather humorous. Partner opened 1H, and I held three hearts and three small spades, with a minimum response. So, I ventured 1S. Partner also held three small spades and, for some cosmic alignment reason chose to raise to 2S. The opponent with AKxxx in spades liked this, but his partner, with Qx, not realizing that 2S was the par contract THE OTHER WAY, trotted out his five-card club suit, which turned out to be my partner's reason for raising spades (3505). 3C did not play well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 On a tourney I did something similar with a 3 card ♠. However, partner didn't raise and we ended up in 2♥ for a top. Afterwards opps called the TD to register the psych, but the TD said this wasn't a psych, "it's a creative bid" ;) Perhaps this was because he knew me... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 To add a different perspective: I wouldn't mind if my partner psyched on hand 1 or 3. But a psych on hand 2 would slightly upset me, it means I may make several delicate (and interesting) bidding decisions on a completely wrong basis. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 In #1 I don't mind 1NT might bid 1NT from time to time on a hand like this but I would be opening 3♦ or 4♦ a lot. In #2 I would hate 2♣, in fact I think I never did a fake or psychic 2/1 response. I know a few players that playing strong club system take advantage of the limited opening and would bid 2♣ and then 4 of the major, if you are prepared that is not very helpful because you just treat the auction as 1M-4M with the advantage of being able to double for the lead the suit or bid a suit at the 2 level for the lead. In #3 I don't think 3NT is a psych I would say it is a sillly way to raise to 4 :-) nobody falls into that any more so it is useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 As does Justin, I rarely ever psyche in f2f bridge (not counting kitchen bridge). In fact, one of the things I like about online bridge is that I can psyche more often as to experiment when it might work well and when it will be a disaster. Furthermore, since I do not play online with my most regular partners, they will not become accustomed to it and I feel that is better ethically as well. As per Hannie's hands, Hand I: I might psyche a strong NT, but I wouldn't psyche a weak NT as it is more likely to receive a penalty double. I'd also be happy if I could bid a weak 2♦, else pass seems just fine. Hand II: I don't see the point in bidding 2♣. To me, the reason to make a lead averting bid is if you know or you feel it's likely that you know what the contract is going to be and thus you want to throw up some smoke to get a better lead. An example might be to open 1♣ on: KJxAQKJTxxxxx With 3-2-4-4 you will most likely play in 3NT if you play in game. You are not distorting your hand pattern much with a 1♣ opener (cue mikeh's criticism). And you will be the most likely declarer in a NT contract. It will make it more difficult for opening leader to find the club lead if that is going to be the killing lead. Or suppose you have: ♠AKxxx♥Ax♦xxx♣AQx Partner opens 1♥, you bid 1♠ and partner bids 2♠. If you want to go for a swing you might want to try a diamond splinter. It might make it difficult for the opponents to cash 2 winners off the top, especially as RHO's true count will show the correct parity. Hand III: I hate these hands. Especially when some of the less ethical players at the club get them because they always end up bidding a slow 2NT. This puts tremendous pressure on LHO because he now has AI that South has a "bidding problem". I am happy with any of 2NT, 3NT, 3♠, or 4♥, but would like to bid this hand in tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 One personal story, playing in the Australian national open teams (5 day swiss event) with a friend, and a random pair I held: xxx xx Kjxx Kxxx or something like that 3'rd chair Fav. We were playing a weak NT and I opened 1N. Strange psych you say, since this will get xed? Yes it is, but the strange opps were playing DONT even against weak NTs. One important lesson, when you sit down against a pair, glance at their NT defense. This will tell you what you can get away with in 3'rd seat. Now this story had a funny conclusion. At my table the auction continued:P-P-1N-x (that player was 4513 with 21 HCP) showing a 1 suited hand2S(1 or both minors)-P-3C(I prefer diamonds)-3H-All Pass Making 7 on a heart hook through partner. The other player had Jxxxx Axxx xxx x and didn't raise. At the other table, it went P-P-P-2C-P-2S!and soon a double fit was found and they climbed to 7N since opener feared a ruff if she picked the wrong major. This was a make or go down 5 hand, but it made... Its quite interesting, but I rarely ever make total psychs like this, but DONT vs a weak NT was a red flag... Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erki_ Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I cannot recall if it was second or third hand, when I once held a freak hand of QJxxx in hearts and QJxxxxxx in clubs and decided to open strong 1♣ (17+HCP) and see what happens.LHO doubled, partner passed (showing weak hand) and after some thinking RHO also passed, thinking that double showed clubs. I made 11 tricks for +540 and absolute top (I think opps missed a slam on that hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 I cannot recall if it was second or third hand, when I once held a freak hand of QJxxx in hearts and QJxxxxxx in clubs and decided to open strong 1♣ (17+HCP) and see what happens.LHO doubled, partner passed (showing weak hand) and after some thinking RHO also passed, thinking that double showed clubs. I made 11 tricks for +540 and absolute top (I think opps missed a slam on that hand). i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong, but psyching a strong 1C bid is illegal in acbl land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 1. 1N is a decent psyche. Its effective playing any range of NT in 3rd seat me thinks. 2. I wouldn't mess around with this. 3. I'd only psyche against really weak players with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Hand 1 is a workable psyche (I hesitate to say 'good'), but I'm not too impressed by either of the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchiu Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 1. I psyched 2C on a similar hand recently (on BBO, and not in ACBL land), intending to expose the psych by passing the waiting 2D bid. Of course, the auction went as intended and LHO, sitting there with half the deck, thought I misbid and floated it. Four away when 6M makes by hooking against my partner. In retrospect, I don't think that this psych should have worked nearly that well as LHO could defend as if i opened a weak 2D if he doesn't suspect a psych. Psyching 1S on hands like xxxx x xx QJ10xxx can work very well by the same token, provided your partnership plays reverse drury. This one is actually legal in ACBL land, where real drury mixups are not all that infrequent. 2. Never. 3. I'd rather bid 3S with this hand. Also depends on the number of drinks :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 hand 1st/3rd is unfit to psyche. OPPS have so strong hand(27+HCPs),they can do better when you psyche on the lowest level . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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