badderzboy Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Partner opens 1NT with 12-14 playing transfers etc and 3014RKCB but not cue-bids/splinters... You hold :- S AKQJ96H J103D VoidC AK53 What do you respond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 6 Spade without cuebids/splinters I have to gamble, so I gamble the small slam. Kind Regards Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 3D: RKC Spades. And then Control Asking Bid for Hearts and Clubs, maybe Diamonds too... ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 i have nothing to protect.. 2H then 6S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Hi Luke, you may have protect yourself from a double of your 2 H bid. But of course your way can work much better if they don`t double :) Hi Free, 3D: RKC Spades. And then Control Asking Bid for Hearts and Clubs, maybe Diamonds too... Excactly what opponents play, who agree on: NO cuebids, no splinters and write in the Beg/Int. Lounge..:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 OK sorry... I'd also transfer for spades and bid 6S afterwards. If partner has HK, it's protected if he plays, otherwise you can get trouble with AQ behind the K and a Heart lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 You hold :-S AKQJ96H J103D VoidC AK53 What do you respond? I would respond by saying... "Partner, when are we going to modernize our bidding...?". How would I bid this hand? Slowly. I think the 6S jumpers are using the theory that with no tools, just bid what you think you can make. I also think we need to be in 6S most of the time. Slam is good unless partner is looking at a lot of diamond hcp and not the HEART ACE or KING. A hand like S-xxx H-Q9xx D-AKQx C-QJx. Almost any hand is good for slam, and some grand slam, say reverse the red suits. All you need is a plan on how to ellict from partner the kind of hand he has. I think such a plan can be constructed even without splinters and cue-bids. First, I will also assume you don't use "superaccepts" of the transfer bid. So here goes... 1NT-2H2S - 3C (3C has to be forcing and clubs)? Now we are at a branch point. If partner bids 3H, I will bid the slam (but if you allow exclusion blackwood over 3H I would jump to 5D, and if partner shows two plus the queen (giving him something like HAKQx), I would bid grand slam in SPADES...surpize). If partner bids 3S, I will bid shocked, but probably just bid 6S, if partner bids 3NT, I will also just blast with 6S. If partner bids 3D (diamond cards, presumed weak hearts), I will bid continue to bid out my distribution by bidding 3H. If partner raises hearts, I will bid 6S, if partner bids 3NT, I will 4S (mild slam try, showing by natural bidding must be short in diamonds, and potentially weak in hearts), if partner bids 3S over 3H, I will probably stop in 4S, as partner's hand must be all diamonds. So I should end up in 7S opposite... S-xxx H-AKQx D-QJx C-Qxx, 1N-2H; 2S-3C; 3H-5D; 6C-7S (6C=two +Q), 5D=voidwood 6S opposite (or maybe 7C)... S-xxx H-AQx D-AJx C-QJxx 1N-2H; 2S-3C; 3N-6S; Pass/7C 4S opposite.... S-xxx H-QJx D-AKQx C-Qxx 1N-2H; 2S-3C; 3D-3H; 3N-4S; Pass Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted October 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Thanks All, I'm still learning the game (just over a year) so although I have a working knowledge of cue-bids and splinters I'm not confident enough to use them. I must admit I got inventive and bid 2D to transfer to hearts!The key to the right slam for me was ptrs heart holding and knowing if he held at least two of AK H and A D and thenfind out about Q so I thought RKCB in Hearts tells me all I need to know! Opps thought 2D was a little naughty as it suggest 5 hearts in my hand but as ptr is in the dark I assume it's effectively a pysche bid and so legitimate. After the transfer I bid 4NT RKCB and got 5S responseand so bid a fairly solid 6S which made 7 as K was onside for finesse. Ptr's handS xxxxH AQxD AxxC Qxx Therefore bidding was 1NT 2D ; 2H 4NT; 5S 6S I must admit though all were puzzled/bemused by the 6S bid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 I must admit I got inventive and bid 2D to transfer to hearts! I would not worry about your opponents, as long as you don't make a habit of bidding this way (so your partner might become aware of this as a tendency for this odd choice). However, there are several problems with your 2D-transfer then jump to 4NT. What if your partner showed one key card in response to 4NT (xxx QJTx AKTx QJx, or xx Kxx KQJT QJT). You are now in a world of hurt, as 5S would be forcing (you have agreed hearts after all), or if he shows two keycards without the heart queen, one of which could be heart King and the other the diamond ACE (xx K98 AQJx J9x)... After 2D then 4NT it is hard to get back into spades. Even if you bid 6S, your partner might veto your bid and bid 6NT (thinking 6S as pickem between 6N and 7H). Remember your partner is lookng at a 9 high spade suit at most, and probably some good hearts, so he will not be wanting to accept an out of the blue spade bid at face value after your transfer to 2H's. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Hi badderboy, nice idea and absolute legal.You just created some new problems: 1. Lets say, that pd answered one keycard:Now, can you stop in 5 Spade?I could not:-) 2. If pd does bid 5 Heart, showing two KCs without the queen. If you jump to 6 Spade now and pd looks at the ace of Diamond and the King of H, you may have some trouble too. But still a nice idea, even if the result with 2 Daimond and RCKB for spades or plain blackwood or a blast to 6 Spade had been the same result... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Thanks All, I'm still learning the game (just over a year) so although I have a working knowledge of cue-bids and splinters I'm not confident enough to use them. I must admit I got inventive and bid 2D to transfer to hearts!The key to the right slam for me was ptrs heart holding and knowing if he held at least two of AK H and A D and thenfind out about Q so I thought RKCB in Hearts tells me all I need to know! Opps thought 2D was a little naughty as it suggest 5 hearts in my hand but as ptr is in the dark I assume it's effectively a pysche bid and so legitimate. After the transfer I bid 4NT RKCB and got 5S responseand so bid a fairly solid 6S which made 7 as K was onside for finesse. Ptr's handS xxxxH AQxD AxxC Qxx Therefore bidding was 1NT 2D ; 2H 4NT; 5S 6S I must admit though all were puzzled/bemused by the 6S bid! Badderzboy. I really like your approach so full kudos to you, imagination is important in bridge and you showed a lot of excellent skills: imagination when bidding, not following rules blindly, good slam instinct and also a good way to circunvent bidding problems when you don't have the tools you need. I disagree with all the players that will criticize this approach, if pd shows only 1 key card in hearts bid 6s and hope for the best, slam in spades is 90% anyway so we must bid it.There's no problem, the problem is thinking about stopping in 5s, that's a losing strategy in this hand if you get this hand and even think about stopping in 5s then you have a problem even if you can only make 5s. A direct jump to 6 spades as many proposed is too vanilla, I guess there's about a 45% chances of a grand slam in this hand. If pd shows two keycards in hearts I think I'd bid 7s and hope to make it. Your way to investigate a grand slam was the best given the tools you had. Again congratulations. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 I disagree with all the players that will criticize this approach, if pd shows only 1 key card in hearts bid 6s and hope for the best, slam in spades is 90% anyway so we must bid it. Are you suggesting that if partner has one key for hearts slam is 90%? I find this hard to believe. I think you are retreating to after 1NT opening bid and before any other bid by opener, the slam is 90%. However, if partners one key card is the diamond ACE, they can cash two top hearts. If it is the heart king, in 6S you might run into a lightner double when you bid 6S and a heart lead through the king to the AQ could crush you (6NT woudl be better shot, for if partner has heart king, he is likely looking at great diamonds and the club QUEEN). But I agree that 2D was imaginative, he is worrying about the same problem we all worried about. He can find out the solution to the problem but he can not stop in 5S if he discovers somthing horrible. So he might as well have bid 6S like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted October 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Justr a quick note with only 1 Key cardOnly missing cards are AKQ H, AKQJ D and QJ C. My partner has at least 12 pts so at worst 2 Aces missing! but he must have KQ Heart and so 6S only loses to AH as I cover Diamonds... If missing AK hearts are opps likely to lead it twice? Thanks all for comments Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 I disagree with all the players that will criticize this approach, if pd shows only 1 key card in hearts bid 6s and hope for the best, slam in spades is 90% anyway so we must bid it. Are you suggesting that if partner has one key for hearts slam is 90%? I find this hard to believe. I think you are retreating to after 1NT opening bid and before any other bid by opener, the slam is 90%. However, if partners one key card is the diamond ACE, they can cash two top hearts. If it is the heart king, in 6S you might run into a lightner double when you bid 6S and a heart lead through the king to the AQ could crush you (6NT woudl be better shot, for if partner has heart king, he is likely looking at great diamonds and the club QUEEN). But I agree that 2D was imaginative, he is worrying about the same problem we all worried about. He can find out the solution to the problem but he can not stop in 5S if he discovers somthing horrible. So he might as well have bid 6S like everyone else. You transfer to hearts, ask for key cards in hearts, get a 1 KC response and bid 6s. Even if you are about to lose AK of hearts they not going to lead hearts unless the opening leader has AK of hearts. I'd say that the clever transfer + RKCB bid does the trick to make the slam in spades a very good bet even when they have AK of hearts They won't lead the hA or under the hK on that bidding. Stopping in 5s is a losing strategy on the posted conditions even when 5s is your best contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 You transfer to hearts, ask for key cards in hearts, get a 1 KC response and bid 6s. Even if you are about to lose AK of hearts they not going to lead hearts unless the opening leader has AK of hearts. I'd say that the clever transfer + RKCB bid does the trick to make the slam in spades a very good bet even when they have AK of hearts They won't lead the hA or under the hK on that bidding. Stopping in 5s is a losing strategy on the posted conditions even when 5s is your best contract. This is not exactly true luis.. what do you lead on this auction.... 1N-(P)-2D-(P)2H-(P)-4N-(P)5D-(P)-6S-(P) P - (X)- all pass This double is conventional and means make an unusual lead. A lot of people play this, and it has a name, this double is called a lightner dbl. So you will go down when leader has Heart AK (and he will double himself) or when his partner has heart AK (in which csae he doubles). Also, if I faced the same auction without the double and was staring at a top heart, I would at least suspect some funny business (what is this auction after all? I mean, why set up hearts, ask about keycards and bid 6S?), and would have to consider a heart lead anyway. So half the time (when heart AK are together) you are going down, doubled. And the other half the time (when split), there is a chance they will find the killing lead. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 i have to agree with ben... if op lightner x's, it'll be for heart lead, and you've made yourself declarer.. lead goes thru pard's K,x of hearts.. since you have nothing to protect, why not arrange it so lead comes <to> partner? i also don't think there's any pressing need to rkc here.. the nt was weakish, 6S looks like a decent contract, and not a lot of info was passed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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