Kalvan14 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sj8xhq8xdktxxxcax]133|100|Scoring: IMP1H-1NT*-4H-? *: 1-round forcing[/hv] You bid 1NT, and are going to bid 3♥ at the second round. However, the bidding comes back with 4♥. What are you going to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Textbook pass ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Presumably we play auto-splinters here? In which case, I need more than a flat 10 count to bid more than 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 What system are you playing? You have three card support 10 hcp, not particular good distribution and three card support. Why not a direct 2♥ raise. The jack of spades can't be worth both a point for jack and a point for doubleton.... If you raise hearts immediately i suspect the auction will be easier. Also, do you open naymats? How weak can 2♣ opening bid be with a great heart suit? Will your partner create a jumpshift is a three card suit then rebid hearts with some hands (what kinds). Do you use auto splinters on this auction? The answer to all those questions will influence what to do next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 What system are you playing? You have three card support 10 hcp, not particular good distribution and three card support. Why not a direct 2♥ raise. The jack of spades can't be worth both a point for jack and a point for doubleton.... If you raise hearts immediately i suspect the auction will be easier. Also, do you open naymats? How weak can 2♣ opening bid be with a great heart suit? Will your partner create a jumpshift is a three card suit then rebid hearts with some hands (what kinds). Do you use auto splinters on this auction? The answer to all those questions will influence what to do next. system is 2/11M-1NT-2any-3M: 10-12 balanced, 3 trumps2C is pretty classic (no 8-tricks-in-a-major)we play namyatsno autosplinter, but he might bid 2S or 3m 100% forcing (2S would not be GF, 3m would) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 PASS wtp? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 What system are you playing? You have three card support 10 hcp, not particular good distribution and three card support. Why not a direct 2♥ raise. The jack of spades can't be worth both a point for jack and a point for doubleton.... If you raise hearts immediately i suspect the auction will be easier. Also, do you open naymats? How weak can 2♣ opening bid be with a great heart suit? Will your partner create a jumpshift is a three card suit then rebid hearts with some hands (what kinds). Do you use auto splinters on this auction? The answer to all those questions will influence what to do next. system is 2/11M-1NT-2any-3M: 10-12 balanced, 3 trumps2C is pretty classic (no 8-tricks-in-a-major)we play namyatsno autosplinter, but he might bid 2S or 3m 100% forcing (2S would not be GF, 3m would) This system really sucks, unless playing very sound in first and second seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I don't see the problem with evaluating this as an invite. Why can't you add a point for the spaded jack as well as the doubleton club? You have 3 good cards (♥Q, ♦K, ♣A) as well as 3 minor features: a doubleton, a jack and a five card suit. I don't like to use 1M-1NT-2X-3M as 3-card invite, but given that we play this 1NT seems fine (unless you open very light). I'm not sure what to do over 4H. Is this a typical hand for partner: Kx AKJxxx Ax KJx? that looks like a good slam. It shouldn't be hard to construct hands where 6H is cold, as well as hands where 5H is in jeopardy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Is this a typical hand for partner: Kx AKJxxx Ax KJx? that looks like a good slam. It shouldn't be hard to construct hands where 6H is cold, as well as hands where 5H is in jeopardy. No.. they are playing 3♦ as short diamond. Not clear yet if can be void or just stiff.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 What are you going to do? Pass, and blame partner for bidding 4♥ immediatly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 What system are you playing? You have three card support 10 hcp, not particular good distribution and three card support. Why not a direct 2♥ raise. The jack of spades can't be worth both a point for jack and a point for doubleton.... If you raise hearts immediately i suspect the auction will be easier. Also, do you open naymats? How weak can 2♣ opening bid be with a great heart suit? Will your partner create a jumpshift is a three card suit then rebid hearts with some hands (what kinds). Do you use auto splinters on this auction? The answer to all those questions will influence what to do next. system is 2/1 1M-1NT-2any-3M: 10-12 balanced, 3 trumps 2C is pretty classic (no 8-tricks-in-a-major) we play namyats no autosplinter, but he might bid 2S or 3m 100% forcing (2S would not be GF, 3m would) This system really sucks, unless playing very sound in first and second seat. Thanks for the constructive comment, but it does not really address my question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Is this a typical hand for partner: Kx AKJxxx Ax KJx? that looks like a good slam. It shouldn't be hard to construct hands where 6H is cold, as well as hands where 5H is in jeopardy. No.. they are playing 3♦ as short diamond. Not clear yet if can be void or just stiff.... Maybe I was unclear: 3m would be GF, normally with 4/+ cards (but can be 3 at a pinch) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Pard's hand:A AKJxxx Axx Qxx I do believe that this would be best treated with a 3♣ rebid (GF - normally showing a real suit). The bidding would be:1♥-1N-3♣-3♥(slam interest)-3♠-4♣-4♦-4N-6♥ The slam requires diamonds 3-2, and K♣ in E (or no club lead): difficult to say if a club lead is likely or not, since it depends on the bidding and on E having other alternatives for the opening lead. At worst is 34%, at best 68%: IMO, assessing it at 50% would be fair. At my table I passed, after a long suffering (4♥+2 after a spade lead).At the other table, oppos reached 6 (made; K♣ is with E, and diamonds break), after opening 1♣ (strong).It is a marginal slam, and I am not too much upset by not having called it. Still, I told partner that I did not agree with the 4♥ rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Yes, this hand type has been discussed often on the forum.The general expert consensus seems to be a jump shift into the 3 card minor. The experts saving the 4H jump rebid for some other hand type.The vast majority of nonexperts just rebid 4H as a strong 18+ type hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Pass looks clearcut. I like to play a 4M rebid as a hand that had slightly too much defense to open 4M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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