mike777 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Vul vs. NV MP Q94...KQT2...2...K7542 P=1D=P=1HP =1S=P =P? Your bid and more importantly what is your thought process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I'm sure I'd bid 2C at MP even though its sickening to even think about and is an awful bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Hey Justin this is by far one of the nastiest problems this month in the forums! 1 over 1 is usually forcing for most pairs so the first thing that comes to my mind is that the opponents may be having a bad missunderstanding. (1 vote for pass) On assumption opener has 4-x-4/5-x distribution and responder has 4-4-x-x distribution, the only case where we don't have an 8 card club fit is when opener has 4-1-5-3 and responder has 4-4-2-3 then who doubles 2♣ ? (1 vote for 2♣) Maybe opener bid a fancy 1♠ with 3 cards because it was forcing? (2 votes for pass) 1NT is an option auto-pulling myself to 2♣ if 1NT is doubled. (1 vote for confusion) I Pass, so bad, so bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Very close at unfavorable. 2C, expecting pd to have 3+ clubs on the bidding. If not, next hand ;) Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I don't agree with the premise that most pairs play 1S as forcing in this auction. Even if most pairs do, I won't assume that the opps are having a misunderstanding because of the pass. Anyways, passing would be easy at imps. At MP I hope that I can push them up a level, usually that's not too hard at the 2 level ;) Or maybe i can go for 1100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I don't agree with the premise that most pairs play 1S as forcing in this auction. Even if most pairs do, I won't assume that the opps are having a misunderstanding because of the pass. Anyways, passing would be easy at imps. At MP I hope that I can push them up a level, usually that's not too hard at the 2 level ;) Or maybe i can go for 1100. I'm not saying I "expect" them to be having a missunderstanding but they might be in one. Is just one factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 My club, heart & spade holdings scream "DEFEND!" ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Responder likely has a fairly minimum response with exactly 3 spades and little in clubs (no 2S bid, no 1NT bid). In the unlikely case that responder has 4 spades they will almost certainly compete to 2S anyway. Given that opener opened 1D he also is unlikely to have a lot in clubs. I think I would bid 2C. The colors are bad and so are my spades, but this could easily be our hand so I'm not passing out 1S at MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 i can't recall the last time defending 1♠ at MPs led to a good result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 i can't recall the last time defending 1♠ at MPs led to a good result This seems to be a good candidate to me :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Yuck. I know why we want to bid, but I don't think I can face it. Passing out 1S usually means RHO is 3-1 in spades & diamonds. They normally raise with 4-card support. Give partner a 3352 (quite plausible) and it will play like a drain. Responder could easily be 3415 or 4414 (3316 anyone?), so there's no certainty of a fit. Indeed, if we have a fit it might well be in hearts, not clubs. The only upside from bidding seems to be if they then go 1 off in 2S, while there are many downsides (not least getting a club lead rather than a heart lead at trick 1). I'd quite like to be at the table: if I were certain they would bid 2S, I'd bid. It depends so much on oppo - did RHO pass in agony, or happily? Are they the sort of pair who are always sound bidders, or would RHO have raised spades on virtually any 4-card support? If I do anything how about this: 1NT now, then redouble to imply a 2-suiter? I might try that NV, but 2 off in 1NT undoubled is not my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Pass.I think opener is likely to be in the 17 hcp range with 4=1=5=3 or so, responder likely has 3=5=2=3 with say 6 hcp or so We are red vs white, we have Qxx in spades and KQTx in a suit of theirs.The only offensive hints are the club 5 bagger headed by a K, and the diamond singleton. I might bid, but not today: even if we escape undoubled, 1NT or 2C down 100 or 200 might be a bad score opposite letting them play a contract making 80 or 110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 i can't recall the last time defending 1♠ at MPs led to a good result This seems to be a good candidate to me :) i doubt it, but i'm sure we'll find out.. 'course the result of the hand doesn't matter as much as the reasons for bidding (or not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 i can't recall the last time defending 1♠ at MPs led to a good result It can lead to a good result in three ways:i) A spade partial is the normal contract and you defend it better (or they play it worse) than the rest of the field.ii) LHO has a monster and forgot to bid 2S, or RHO is 32 in spades/diamonds and didn't give preference back to diamonds which would have played much better opposite LHO's 6-card suit, or LHO invented a 1S bid on the BW 'death' hand with a 3361 and they are in a 3-3 fit, or RHO should have bid 1NT which is making the same number of tricks, or... (random additional they're-in-the-wrong-contract witterings)iii) The rest of the room protects 1S on these cards and goes for 200 I defended 3 1-level contracts in a pairs event last Sunday. We had 1 good result from defending well, 1 good result from not going horribly negative our way and 1 average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 that means you *can* remember the last time you got a good result defending 1♠ at MPs had you taken action on those hands, do you have any idea where you'd have ended up or how you'd have done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 IMO, Frances is making good sense with her posts. Just for this time, count me in the coop with the chicken: I'll defend 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 she always does, and i absolutely wasn't arguing with her.. all i said was, i can't recall ever having a good result by passing 1♠ in MPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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