hrothgar Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Echognome and I got a spanking from the Egyptian Bermuda Bowl team... Here's an hand where we hand one of our two big losses... [hv=s=sk74haq96dkjt2cjt]133|100|[/hv] Playing BBO-Advanced you hear partner open 1♥.You chose to respond 2N, and partner rebids 3♦... Name your poison (along with an explanation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 3♠. 3♦ doesn't sound encouraging looking at our hand, but partner is unlimited and may need to know about the ♠K. If he now bypasses serious 3NT, I'll sign off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 4♥ Partner has a bad singleton and chances of a slam are significantly reduced. I like to limit my hand quickly and pass the bad news. He will need a big hand to move on. 3S may sound too encouriging to partner thinking that the hands match well and he will press too high. Even 5 level may not be safe on some bad days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Echognome and I got a spanking from the Egyptian Bermuda Bowl team... Here's an hand where we hand one of our two big losses... [hv=s=sk74haq96dkjt2cjt]133|100|[/hv] Playing BBO-Advanced you hear partner open 1♥.You chose to respond 2N, and partner rebids 3♦... Name your poison (along with an explanation) 4H I could hardly have a worse hand.Assuming 2nt was some version of Jacoby.Assuming 3D showed shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Echognome and I got a spanking from the Egyptian Bermuda Bowl team... Here's an hand where we hand one of our two big losses... Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ K74 ♥ AQ96 ♦ KJT2 ♣ JT Playing BBO-Advanced you hear partner open 1♥.You chose to respond 2N, and partner rebids 3♦... Name your poison (along with an explanation) 4H I could hardly have a worse hand.Assuming 2nt was some version of Jacoby.Assuming 3D showed shortness. On the basis of Mike's assumptions, I'd propose 3NT. Pard knows I've a fit in hearts, now let him know that I've wasted values in diamonds. Obviously, this would not be possible since 3NT would be interpreted as Serious 3N, am I right? 4♥, then (which is the reason for which I don't like Serious 3N). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 4H. If I had the SA rather than the SK, I might bid 3S. Making your first cuebid with a king is a bit of a lie, and I don't like to do it with a hand that really has no extras in light of the 3D bid. Why do I think the correct bid is slam-going? :( Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 4♥ completely discouraged with KJTx in pd's singleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I think I'm going to try 3N here. Partner knows that I know about the singleton and yet I'm still offering 3N. I must have 4 good ♦ and have already shown 4♥. Give partner the info and let him make the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 4!h for me too, but I don't think that 3NT is completely crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 4!h for me too, but I don't think that 3NT is completely crazy. Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Hi, 4H, assuming 2NT was gf and 3D splinter.Partner asks: Do you have a good opening,without wastage in diamond?Take away the diamond suit, or replace the suit xxxx and you dont have an opener anymore, so your answer is clear, anythingelse is masterminding and says partner is an idiot, because he did ask the wrong question. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I think I'm going to try 3N here. Partner knows that I know about the singleton and yet I'm still offering 3N. I must have 4 good ♦ and have already shown 4♥. Give partner the info and let him make the decision. 3NT would be "serious"... Given the number of people suggesting that 4♥ is a picture bid suggesting devaluing the hand based on wasted Diamond values, its hard to justify Serious slam interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I assume the 3NT bidders are making a natural call, not a 'serious' 3NT.I am also a natural 3NT bidder, if 3D showed a singleton diamond.That says to partner "I have a game forcing raise with 4-card support and a load of stuff wasted in diamonds. Where do you want to go from here?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I have a 10 count after opener's disappointing 3♦, so 4♥ for me as quickly as possible. If he can't make a move over 4♥, we are unlikely to have a slam on. 4♥ gives him the message that 3♦ didn't thrill me. As others have said too, I can't bid a natural 3NT. That would be "serious" and denying a spade control. This is wrong on both accounts. I don't think it's a great loss not to have the natural 3NT available in this situation. Very rarely do you want to play in 3NT when you have a 5-4 (even 6-4) major fit. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I don't feel very strongly about whether or not you want to have a serious 3NT bid available on this auction, but one of the reasons for bidding a natural 3NT is not necessarily to play there, but as a descriptive call to tell partner about your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 As others have said too, I can't bid a natural 3NT. That would be "serious" and denying a spade control. This is wrong on both accounts. I don't think it's a great loss not to have the natural 3NT available in this situation. Very rarely do you want to play in 3NT when you have a 5-4 (even 6-4) major fit. Yes and no... I agree that 3NT on this hand would be Serious.I disagree that Serious 3NT is without cost.... When Frances (and others) suggest a 3NT response with this hand, I don't believe that they are suggesting 3NT as a possible contract (please correct me if I'm wrong). Rather, they are showing a forward going hand with substantial Diamond wastage... In theory, an accomplished partnership could differentiate between a picture jump to 4♥ and a 3NT response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Rather, they are showing a forward going hand with substantial Diamond wastage... Fair enough if you really had a forward going hand, but you don't. You already forced to game with your 2NT. After seeing 3♦ from opener. you now know what you didn't know then: you no longer have a hand that was good enough to force to game! Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I think enough responses are now in for the initial question. As opener I'm now going to ask you to change seats. You hold: ♠Txx♥KJTxx♦A♣AKxx You are playing BBO Advanced without too many other agreements. You open 1♥ and partner bids 2NT forcing to game. What is your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Presumably my methods involve 3X when X isn't hearts here showing a shortage, 3NT = 15-17 balanced ish, 3H = 18-19 balanced ish, 4 new suit = slammish 2 suiter, 4H = balanced minimum. Well, I have a 15 count, which with the singleton ace of diamonds, looks fairly balanced. So I'll try 3NT. I don't like to splinter with singleton aces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Even tho it tends to promise 5, I would jump to 4C (unless it would be taken as Gerber.... ;) ) to show my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwingo Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Tough one. All the standard Jacoby 2NT responses has some distortion or the other. Singleton ♦A and 4 card ♣ seem to be the biggest distortion. The least distortion seems to be 4♥ or 3NT. 3NT also looks a bit shaky with the ♦A singleton and nothing in ♠. So 4♥ is my bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I think I'm going to try 3N here. Partner knows that I know about the singleton and yet I'm still offering 3N. I must have 4 good ♦ and have already shown 4♥. Give partner the info and let him make the decision. 3NT would be "serious"... Given the number of people suggesting that 4♥ is a picture bid suggesting devaluing the hand based on wasted Diamond values, its hard to justify Serious slam interest.I'm not fond of Jacoby anyway and less still of this 3N serious concept: what's wrong with 3H as serious and 3N as a suggestion to play? With no other good choice, I have to bid 4H - problem is partner might still make a move with a void and 6 trumps: AQx, AKxxxx, void, Qxxx or the like and we lose two clubs and a ruff in 5H. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Carefully not answering the question, I observe that given the two hands you have presented, I'm not entirely sure what I'd like the final contract to be... so I don't think I'd be blaming this board for losing the match. 4H would be very unlucky to go off. 6H is not vastly worse than the SA onside. 3NT by responder is the only 100% game however, so I'd be pleased if I played there rather than 4H! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I do not bid J2NT here to start with. I start with 2♦ instead. There are reasons for this. Firstly my hand looks like a 3NT pass/correct situation and the only way to get into the right strain of contract is to start low. Secondly, I got nice trumps for pard and pard opened. It infers scattered honors from pard - if pard finds a strength showing bid then I can drive for slam via 5♥ (trump quality ask). Lastly, I don't want to miss potentially six ♦.' For Echo's question I jump bid 4 ♣ - I have an EXCELLENT hand that I want pard's input on. This assumes 4♣ is 2nd suit and not void showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I don't think I'd be blaming this board for losing the match. Unless you played at the 5-level one off, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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