42 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=saj8hq7642dackq108&s=s3hj953dkj10caj962]133|200|Scoring: MP1♥ 2♠[/hv]I kibbed this hand; the expert on S bid 4♥ and said to me:"what if they bid 4♠?"A fitshowing jump was not possible anymore after 2♠ but ♣ was the key suit. Is there any solution in general? Actually the opps passed and the result was 450 for 60%.Caren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 For me, 4♣ would be a fit-jump. But I wouldn't do it on this hand, too much in diamonds and too little stuff in my long suits. What I would really like to is a 3♠ splinter, but sadly that isn't a jump anymore. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 For me, 4♣ would be a fit-jump. But I wouldn't do it on this hand, too much in diamonds and too little stuff in my long suits. What I would really like to is a 3♠ splinter, but sadly that isn't a jump anymore. Arend Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 If you're playing Robson/Segal's methods, then 2NT is the bid. If opps go to 4♠, at least North will know pard has an offensive hand that is not of the fit-bid type. That means scattered honors, 4 hearts and very likely a spade singleton. Whether to double or pass 4♠, that's another matter, but I believe 2NT is the best way to send the message across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 You should still have more ways to raise in this position. 4♥ was no doubt meant as "no preempt over preempt" but I think that is incorrect here. You need to make clear to partner what kind of hand you have. For me the fit-showing bids here are: 2NT: Invitational exactly3♥: Constructive but not invitational3♠: GF mixed raise 3NT: GF high card raise (no shortness!)4♣♦: fit jump4♥: distributional raise to 4♥ There is no splinter, though, buf for that we have a scale of 3 bids of GF raises with different ODR: 3NT with much defence, 3♠ inbetween and 4♥ with much offence. Then there's the hand type "I'm going to know what to do after 4♠ anyway" but that's quite rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted January 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 ehhhmmmm.... I know that the ♣-suit is too weak for a fitshowing jump, I posted this hand because it caused my thoughts in general, whether it is possible to introduce a good side suit in this situation: weak jump overcall and one has a fit and a good side suit (sorry for my mistake! Please pretend that the ♣-suit is stronger!); and how to distinguish beween different types of hands with fit. :) Caren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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