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[adhoc3]

I had these 2 hands when playing with a thoughtful friend.

 

Pard dealed and opened:

 

1) ♠KJT9xx ♥xx ♦xxxxx ♣--

 

1♥----1♠

2♣---2♥

4♥//

 

Question: would you bid 2♠WJS instead of 1♠ or rebid 2♠ in the 2nd round? If not, what do you need to do so?

 

2) ♠K9xx ♥QJxxx ♦Txxx ♣--

 

1♣---1♥

2NT------3NT//

 

Question: 3♣ would be checking another major, would you bid it?

 

EDIT: the system is 2/1, I shall not post this here, but dont know how to move it, sry :P

[whereagles]

1. Your bidding was fine. WJS would also be fine. I think 1♠ or 2♠ is a matter of taste, really.

 

2. Why not 3♠ instead of 3NT. Wouldn't that be natural and 5-4?

[zasanya]

1)WJS if that is the understanding.Otherwise pass initially and then bid 2♠ if i get another chance to bid. Pass if ops bid ♠ :-)

2) Would certainly bid 3♣ not only to check on other major but also to check on 3 card support for ♥

[temp3600]

1. I would like to show the 6-card spade suit, so 2S if we are playing WJS and 1S followed by 2S if not.

 

2. 3C checkback, or a natural 3S if available. We could have a fit in either major.

[Blofeld]

1. I bid 1♠. Just occasionally, partner has diamonds ...

 

2. Certainly I bid 3♣. I'd rather play this in a major if possible.

[Al_U_Card]

The WJS works best when you don't have a fit for partner. With the dbltn H the 1S bid seems appropriate. The pref to 2H gives pard all the info he needs so the auction shown seems best.

 

Re: checkback, do you show 3card support first or the other major first? If it is the other major, then use CBS, if it is 3 card support then reverse into 3S. The big hand will declare more often that way.

[MickyB]

I had these 2 hands when playing with a thoughtful friend.

 

Pard dealed and opened:

 

1) ♠KJT9xx ♥xx ♦xxxxx ♣--

 

1♥----1♠

2♣---2♥

4♥//

 

Question: would you bid 2♠WJS instead of 1♠ or rebid 2♠ in the 2nd round? If not, what do you need to do so?

I'd bid 1♠ here because I'm happy to give preference back to ♥. If I was 6151 and 1♥:1♠, 2♣:2♠ showed 8-11 or so then I'd probably make a WJS, although it wouldn't be a terribly nice hand for the system.

[awm]

For the first hand, I would bid 1♠ and rebid 2♠. Give opener a hand like:

 

x AQxxx Ax Axxxx

 

This is a pretty good hand for a misfit, lots of quick tricks and such. In 2♥, on a heart lead we can ruff one club, but will lose a spade, a diamond, one or two hearts, and two or three clubs. Even if the lead is a diamond, opponents can switch to a heart when they gain the lead and the likely result is about the same. If partner has a worse hand (say replace the ♥A with ♥K, or the ♣A with ♣K) then 2♥ has basically no play. Note how good 2♠ is on these cards -- you lose two spades and three diamonds (pitching a heart on the club ace) on fairly normal breaks. Even if we replace one of partner's aces with a king, 2♠ still has pretty decent chances (needing a heart finesse or a 3-3 diamond break, perhaps).

 

Opener could also have a doubleton spade easily enough. If opener has three diamonds then 2♦ is probably the best contract, but you're never going to get there, and 2♠ is still probably better than 2♥.

 

I think correcting to 2♥ here is an example of a fairly common mistake, not taking the quality of spots in the long suit into account. Replace the ♠JT9 with small spades and it wouldn't really occur to me that I should rebid 2♠ here. Holding the actual hand I think it is automatic.

 

On the second hand it seems clear to look for a 5-3 heart fit or 4-4 spade fit. How you do this is a matter of agreements and/or personal taste. I know people who play 3♣ as "checkback stayman", as "wolfe signoff puppet to 3♦", as "natural and slammish", and as "natural and NF." Playing with a pickup partner without discussion I would not risk a 3♣ bid. However, 3♠ (a reverse) seems unlikely to be misinterpreted. I'd try that call.