inquiry Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=s4haqj97da653ca94]133|100|Scoring: MPBPO-007D West North East South------ Pass - (Pass) - 1♥ (DBL) 1♠ - (2♣) 2♦ (Pass) 3♦ - (Pass) - ? [/hv] I accidently made this one matchpoints, but so much the better. A little variety. Now open for discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I bid 3♥. With both opps bidding, I really doubt pard will have a good 10 hcp invitation, so his support must surely be based on distribution. Being so, I waive 3NT and try for a 5-2 heart game. By the way, cheers to the return of BPO. Love these discussions :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 BPO-007D: Pass If partner's 1S bid was "legit" then partner's Spades values arewasted opposite our stiff. If partner psyched 1S then he doesn't havevalues for game. Either way, I see no reason to look for a 5mcontract opposite a passed hand with values sitting over me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Pass. I can well believe that 3♥ or 3NT (or even 4♦) will work out a significant proportion of the time, but I think pass is the action most likely to bring in a good score. Spade values opposite don't appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 also pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Even if pard is offering a courtesy raise, (I expect him to be 5-1-5-2 or so) 4D should be makable. I like my minimum 2D rebid so I will bid 4C on the way to the D partial/game (S ruffs with my baby D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I bid 3NT. If I don't bid it now then we are not going to get to our most likely game. I didn't notice that it was MP, at IMPs I would never pass with so much extra while at MP it becomes more of an option. Surely partner is more likely to hold 4 than 5 diamonds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Matchpoints! 420 is a drug..I bid 3♥.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I bid 3NT. If I don't bid it now then we are not going to get to our most likely game. I didn't notice that it was MP, at IMPs I would never pass with so much extra while at MP it becomes more of an option. Surely partner is more likely to hold 4 than 5 diamonds! Well from the auction he should have 1H and 2C so if the other 10 cards were 4D and 6S he might have persisted in S.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I passed; keep the plus! 3♥ looks tempting, but will pard pull to 4♦ holding a stiff ♥? Shooting for 5♦ via 4♦ is placing cards in pard's hand. Try to get a good board on this one with good play, instead of pressing for a tight game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Given the MP scoring, I admit that the close game may not warrant it, but the circumstances just seem too good not to push a bit. After all, pard could have passed the "misfit" with few values and evenif he is "stopping the opps from bidding 3C(?) he knows that it is MP scoring too.....(I hope) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Given the MP scoring, I admit that the close game may not warrant it, but the circumstances just seem too good not to push a bit. After all, pard could have passed the "misfit" with few values and evenif he is "stopping the opps from bidding 3C(?) he knows that it is MP scoring too.....(I hope) Well, lets see - pard didn't redouble, so he's probably limited to 9. Pard also had a free cue bid available via 3♣, so that limits his hand even further. I think the best the 3♦ bidders can hope for is: Axxxx, x, KJxxx, xx. 5♦ is a very reasonable spot; with the club, play A♥, Q♥ ditching a club is its not covered. And I think this hand warrants a stronger move than 3♦. But, as I said, this is playing pard for very specific cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Well, lets see - pard didn't redouble, so he's probably limited to 9. Pard also had a free cue bid available via 3♣, so that limits his hand even further. I stronly disagree with both of these comments. The approach of always redoubling with 10+ pts is very old fashioned and in my opinion with good reason. It is much better to bid spades when you have decent 4+ spades. It is very likely that partner has 5 spades, so the lack in redouble says nothing about partner's strength. Given that 1S is unlimited, partner cannot cuebid 3C with a good but less than gameforcing raise, it shows a gameforcing hand. Therefore the 3D bid shows roughly invitational values (say 9-11 pts). This is perhaps just a question of partnership style and understanding, and I hope that the panel will comment on these issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Well, lets see - pard didn't redouble, so he's probably limited to 9. Pard also had a free cue bid available via 3♣, so that limits his hand even further. I stronly disagree with both of these comments. The approach of always redoubling with 10+ pts is very old fashioned and in my opinion with good reason. It is much better to bid spades when you have decent 4+ spades. It is very likely that partner has 5 spades, so the lack in redouble says nothing about partner's strength. Given that 1S is unlimited, partner cannot cuebid 3C with a good but less than gameforcing raise, it shows a gameforcing hand. Therefore the 3D bid shows roughly invitational values (say 9-11 pts). This is perhaps just a question of partnership style and understanding, and I hope that the panel will comment on these issues. I agree with Hannie. If you think the opponents have a safe haven, it is (at best) waste of time to redouble. Just ignore the double and bid as you would have without the interference. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Hi, Pass. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 3NT. Here is one minority viewpoint. My understanding is this is not the prevelant one among many players. Redouble: the strongest bid, but seldom should be used because shut outs might take place, thus the redouble should only be made with the certainty that you will control the bidding.By bidding immediately, you at least show one of your suits plus a minimum amount of high cards, and your partner may be able to take over. Free bid: Partner's 2D bid is a freebid over 2C. If you take a bid in a new suit, you are showing a hand that will usually reach game or at the very least invite game. You need to not be afraid to pass with a marginal hand and assume the bidding will seldom be over. Free raise: Partners bid of 3D is a free raise. It seems in the bridge world of today they like to bid. In competition, everyone gets into the act and it becomes a shootout. It may seem many bids have no real meaning. Not sure how they can judge who "owns" the contract, and when to trust partner.By not getting into the act, unless we have a good reason to do so, we are able to judge our high cards, how far we wish to go and whether or not foolish opponents should be punished. Al Roth suggested many years ago we must learn how to Pass. Btw, think pass is a close second choice, very tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 this is destined to be my worse score ever :P i bid 5♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 I want to post an interesting hand from the Bridge World a few years back: MP Red ♠ A♥ AK432♦ 972♣ KQJT Following the auction P - 1♥1♠ - 2♣2H 17 out of 30 panelists voted to pass. The next highest number of votes was 9.The directors noted that this was a good hand evaluation problem and noted the important of devaluing your hand when partner shows spade length. Clearly, the two hands and two auctions are far from identical. Most importantly, we are assured an 8 card fit. In the BW hand, partner might have a doubleton Heart. With this said and done, this is a significantly stronger hand and the opponents aren't showing values. More importantly the key had evaluation issue - partner's Spade values - is identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 This is not quite comparable, as partner hasn't made an encouraging bid in the BW problem, while he has in our problem (3♦). Also, it looks to me like spade strength opposite ♠A is worse than strength opposite ♠x. Still, interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 I agree with Hannie. If you think the opponents have a safe haven, it is (at best) waste of time to redouble. Just ignore the double and bid as you would have without the interference. Roland Makes sense to me. I hate redoubles. All they do is mess up the partnerships natural bidding sequences unless, of course, you have a hand that's ready to wipe out anything that moves. I've always been an advocate of ignoring opp's takeout doubles and bidding the way you normally would (unless you can improve the accuracy of your bids), and I have seen more partnership bidding screw-ups after a redbl. And, I never rdbl just to show 10+ "points" when I have shape. I like to start bidding my suits. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 I agree with Hannie. If you think the opponents have a safe haven, it is (at best) waste of time to redouble. Just ignore the double and bid as you would have without the interference. Roland me, too. I voted for 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Not sure if this is the right bid, but I opted to bid 3H.In theory this should show an intermediate (15-17) 6-4 hand, but my hearts are pretty good, I have mucho controls, and I think I have too much to give up on game at this point. I am not sure where my tricks are coming from in 3NT. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 I admit I didn't notice this hand was at MPs. I thrumped invoking Hamman's rule, which is about as abused as LTT for bad decisions. But, we also give credit when they work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwingo Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 I bid 3♥. Didn't realise it was MP. In retrospect, Pass would be appropriate in MP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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