Guest Jlall Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 AKQJT9 KQTxx Q x. You open 1S and partner bids 2C, 100% GF. What's your bid and what's your plan in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysen2k Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 According to Lawrence's 2/1, a jump now to 3♥ should show specifically 5-5 with good suits. That seems like a good start. The continuations aren't that pretty if partner doesn't support though. I'll try 4♠ over a 3NT or 4♣ rebid by partner. Tysen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Seems to me that there are more potential grannies here than at an old folks home.....lol I guess the 3S bid would show the solid suit but will rip up your bidding space. 2H seems reasonable (esp. when pard shows the S preference) If he just keeps bidding C then we will pattern out and q-bid to the appropriate slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 If 3H shows good two suiters, I will bid it. otherwise, i will just bid a simple 2H, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I think that the worst (point of view of utility) hand that he could have for us is like-JxKxxxAKQxxxx. How to find the brakes at the 5 level....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 4♣ Gerber, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I kibbed this last night. I thought your pard's follow-ups were a bit 'redundant'. :D I'd start with 2♥ and see if I catch a raise. You can always roll out BW later with the boss suit. By the way, 3♥ with every single one of my pard's is a splinter raise of clubs. If pard has 4 hearts, you probably want to be in hearts instead, since a heart ruff might be a threat to 6♠. But....its a double-edged sword. By bidding hearts, you increase the chance they will find the heart lead from A-4th looking for the ruff. So - no strong feelings here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 3S 100% Picture bidding per Al Roth, rip up and consume that space.At the time I thought most/many would disagree with the bid at the table. BTW hard to see playing this hand in any suit outside of spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I think the start here must be to show the solid spades - so 3S. When I start keycarding I want to know aces, not club King. Over partner's next bid I will pull out our ace-asking bid. If pard shows 2, I will bid 6H, thinking partner will understand the choice. If he shows 3, I bid 7H, once again assuming he will understand this ain't splinter. :D Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Also Gerber for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 2♥ for me. For one thing, I prefer to use 3♥ as a splinter. For another, I hate destroying my own bidding space. So 2♥. I admit that this may create a problem later, but it may also help... so much depends on partner's next bid. I don't like 3♠ because it sets trump (for me), and now I can almost never find out what I need to know about the majors. I do have some ♥ cards to deal with in ♠, unless his minors provide sufficient discards, and how can I find out about that by setting trump? If I bid 3♠, nothing he bids can be an effort to find another trump suit, so we are into control bidding, not source of trick bidding. I am obviously going to keep on bidding with this hand for quite a while, so why not see what partner is able to say in an unforced, unconstrained, unlimited sequence? As for my plan: well, that depends on what he bids, and the possibilities are varied: he may bid 2♠, 2N, 3♣, 3♥, or a variety of less-likely calls and my followups are not uniform :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 2H. See what happens next.There are three things I don't like about 3S. First, it is basically taking control so to my mind it is rather a mis-description, as you don't know at what level or what denomination you want to play. Partner won't know how important the HJ is compared to the DJ. Second, you could easily want to play in hearts. If partner has 4-card heart support missing the ace then spades may concede a heart ruff, while hearts is less likely to concede a spade ruff. Third, if you were to catch 4-card heart support the auction is easy, as if partner has the miracle 3 aces you can count 13 top tricks knowing the hearts will run; if he has two aces you are happy to be in 6H even missing the HJ. If 3H shows a strong 5-5 then you'd better bid it now or you never will, but I'd think it was a splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I strongly prefer 2H and dislike jumping to show a 5-5 when a splinter is more useful information to partners, besides eating my own space when I have a slam going hand does not strike me as wise. I just fail to see how a simple 2H bid is going to harm me in any way. I also agree that 3S sets S as the place to play and while this might be the case I have no fears what so ever. How 4C can be gerber over partners 2C response will remain in the mystery group for me forever. 4C as Gerber would really get Roth in his grave fast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I chose gerber at the table. It worked well, partner somehow didn't know it was gerber but her cuebid showed the right number of aces so we were ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 4♣ Gerber, wtp? eh? Also Gerber for me. eh? I chose gerber at the table. It worked well, partner somehow didn't know it was gerber but her cuebid showed the right number of aces so we were ok. what the hell is going on? am i in the twilight zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 If I had not discussed Gerber in this auction then I wouldn't bid it. In that case 2♥ seems best, 3♥ does not show this hand and 3♠ is masterminding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 If I had not discussed Gerber in this auction then I wouldn't bid it. In that case 2♥ seems best, 3♥ does not show this hand and 3♠ is masterminding. I am confused.. if 3♥ does not show this hand (I assume if you played 3♥ as splinter you would have said 3♥ is splinter), what hand would 3♥ show? I think the options (after opening 1♠) are 3♠ (self-supporting suit) or 3♥ showing at least 5-5 in majors and strong hand. The advantage of 3♠ is your partner will be able to visualize the trick taking potential in your hand. The advantage of 3H is you might find your second fit. I think at the table I would go 3♠... these spades are just too good to ignore, although I very much like Frances point about bidding hearts so partner can evaulate the heart jack. Of course, who in their right mind would open 1♠... don't you guys recongnize a true 2NT opener (6-5, 3 losers) when you see one. I can imagine a quick auction... 2N-3C-3S where 3S shows major two suiter, 3 losers, at least one of which is in clubs. Not sure where the auction is going after that, also not sure partner will bid ony 3♣... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Somebody delete this thread please!!!Somebody delete it! Lock it,hide it, destroy it, do something!!! Now!!! please!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Somebody delete this thread please!!!Somebody delete it! Lock it,hide it, destroy it, do something!!! Now!!! please!!!! Lol.... Don't worry.. i will not inflict any more misery, er misiry, on it... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbreath Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 hi.. Shame it's 6-5 rather than 5-6 .. .. in which case we coud have used Flannery and Gerber on the same board :D :P Rgds Dog (feeling better yet Luis?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 If I had not discussed Gerber in this auction ~~snip~~ discuss?!? this is about the best reason i've ever seen to always play with pick up partners and to never discuss anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 OK, no more jokes about Gerber if Luis can't handle them and Jimmy doesn't get them (or plays his part too well). Seriously now, I like to play 1S-2m-3H as natural, but I think that it should be a very descriptive bid such that partner will often be able to place the contract or tell me about what I want to know. A typical hand for me would be KQ10xx AQJxx Kx x. Clearly the posted monster hand with six solid spades does not resemble this. Admittedly, 2H also does not show this hand, but partner won't think that he knows my hand yet. Also, the bidding will be at a much lower level so we will be able to exchange more information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 OK, no more jokes about Gerber who was joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 (shh Justin, starting the cover-up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 2♥, for me [3♥ would be a splinter in support of clubs]. I do not play Gerber in such an auction (Gerber only during NT auctions witout fit; 4♣ here would be a RKC agreeing clubs). IMHO, even if I played Gerber, I'd not use it: if pard has 2 aces, which ones are they? The ♥A is worth 1 1/2 times the ♦ or ♣ ace. Over 2♥, the worst possible rebid from pard would be 3NT (concentration in diamonds and clubs): 4♠ should convey the right message (strong suit, interest in slam). Over a rebid of 3♣, or over 3♦ FSF, 3♥ [to be followed by 4♠. If I find a fit in either major [which is quite possible], 4NT is what I need to check the KCs. There should not be any risk: if pard has aces, he knows they are good cards against my 2-suiter. If he has kings, better to avoid the 5-level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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