jdeegan Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 #1 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=saq953h6dk6cq7643]133|100|Scoring: MP???[/hv] Minimum with broken suits #2 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=saq953h6dk6cq7643]133|100|Scoring: MP???[/hv] Minimum with good playing strength #3 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=saq953h6dk6cq7643]133|100|Scoring: MP???[/hv] Strong #4 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=saq953h6dk6cq7643]133|100|Scoring: MP???[/hv] Strongest Playing SAYC, which, if any, of these hands would you open with 1♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Most would say none, but #1 is OK for me to open 1♣. By the way, I wouldn't call #2 a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I first learned a coherent system out of an ancient book on Acol where the system bid on 5-5 in blacks was always 1♣, and this may have influenced me since. In non-competitive auctions the weaker hands (e.g. #1) gain most from being opened 1♣. But I think that in competitive auctions it is the stronger hands that gain as they can introduce both of their suits more easily. I have a possibly slightly irrational fear that any auction is about to turn competitive, and so would avoid opening 1♣ on #1, but consider it on hand #2 and lean towards it on hands #3 amd #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 clear and simple: none... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 for me none, even though all books used to say open 1♣ i could never really understand it but then they way they bid 60 yrs ago didnt make much sense either ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temp3600 Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I would open all four of them 1S. I wouldn't mind opening #4 1C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 None for me. Partners please read this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 No reason to distort distribution. None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 None Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Give me 1 more club on all, and its still none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Give me 1 more club on all, and its still none Give me one more club and I will open 1C. Distorting distribution is counterproductive. Esecially on 65 hands, you must give partner an accurate picture if you want to wind up in the best spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Btw, always 1S opener on all the hands as shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Well, obviously it depends on what partner expects. If the system bid is 1♠ with 5-5 in blacks then I'll bid 1♠ on all of them. Considered the question more a case of what should be allowed. I'm opening 1♣ on the stronger hands iff this isn't a distortion of distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I'm bidding 1♠ on all of them too. I don't object to 1♣ in principle, but I'd want weaker spades for that. Swap the black suits in #1 and you could persuade me to open 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I agree with that David. Change the black suits, make the spade queen into the 2 and I might open 1C too (as disgusting as it is to me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 1♠ on all of them. Historically, opening 1♣ was recommended with 5-5 in the blacks, because in an uncontested auction you could open a club and rebid spades twice in an economic fashion. Now we open 1♠, because we don't get many uncontested auctions. If I have a weak hand, I won't have time to bid my hand out in such detail and I need to get the spades in first. If I have a strong hand, opponents may pre-empt, and I need to get the spades in first. It is possible to have the partnership agreement that we open 1♣ on strong 5-5s. If I have that agreement, that's fine. But when the standard agreement is to open them 1♠ I would never break it. When I have a strong hand it is most important not to lie about my distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 1♠ on all of them. Historically, opening 1♣ was recommended with 5-5 in the blacks, because in an uncontested auction you could open a club and rebid spades twice in an economic fashion. Now we open 1♠, because we don't get many uncontested auctions. If I have a weak hand, I won't have time to bid my hand out in such detail and I need to get the spades in first. If I have a strong hand, opponents may pre-empt, and I need to get the spades in first. It is possible to have the partnership agreement that we open 1♣ on strong 5-5s. If I have that agreement, that's fine. But when the standard agreement is to open them 1♠ I would never break it. When I have a strong hand it is most important not to lie about my distribution. There is a greater benefit of opening the strong hands with 1♣ when there is competition. After eg 1♠ (3♥) P (4♥) you would have to show your second suit at the five level. But after 1♣ (3♥) P (4♥) you can bid 4♠. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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