benlessard Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Does anyone use somekind of tree software to write down their system if so wich one do you use and are you satisfied ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I hope FD (Full Disclosure) will get such improvements, but that won't be soon I'm afraid. However it's a great tool in it's babyshoes: it still needs scripting, handling intervention nicely, and a possibility to print out the tree. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I hope FD (Full Disclosure) will get such improvements, but that won't be soon I'm afraid. However it's a great tool in it's babyshoes: it still needs scripting, handling intervention nicely, and a possibility to print out the tree. ;)Doubt you are right. FD looks nearly perfect. Dont understand what you mean by 'scripting'. All info comes to screen automatically. As far as I know thats the purpose of scripting and as I understand it FD is perfect in this area. Intervention handles is perfect. Disabling 'constructive' it works in exactly the same way as you see in defensive. So perfect too I think! I have problems to understand why you want to print. But print the file from your editor. It is all there. The only option I am missing is the opening bid 'PASS'. Of course it can be handled perfectly well splitting 1-2 seat/3-4 seat. But still missing and the only little minus I am able to find. This is in fact as looking for a 'bit of hair in the soup' and cannot spoil my great support of this excellent tool. It is what I and many others have shouted for for years - now our dreams have come through. To me it looks like all the threads about complaining of missing alerts now have disappeared. So either that problem has never been real or simply aleviated with FD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 But can full disclosure can be used outside of BBO ? I was mostly talking about a tree editor... like treepad ... Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 But can full disclosure can be used outside of BBO ? I was mostly talking about a tree editor... like treepad ... Benyes working from WEB to anybody who have Bidedit installed. you can test some cards here: My Webpage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 >Dont understand what you mean by 'scripting'. All info comes to screen >automatically. As far as I know thats the purpose of scripting and as I >understand it FD is perfect in this area. Users who are discussing "scripting" are talking about something very different. Assume for the moment that you are using any one of a number of standard relay structure like symmetric or numeric. These relay structures assign specific meanings to an enormous number of different sequences. However these sequences can be defined very compactly using using programming. In an ideal world, I'd love to be able to write some code that would automatically populate an FD type bidding tree with all the shape defining and auction termination sequences used in MOSCITO. However, to do this I need one of two things: 1. Fred would need to build some king of scripting language into FD2. Fred would need to document the file format in sufficient depth that programs could use existing scripting languages like Python or TCL to create files compatible with FD. (For what its worth, Option 2 looks by far the easiest). With this said and done, much as I would like this type of functionality, I think that its too early in the design process to prioritize this type of functionality. I can think of a number of ways in which Fred might want to enhance FD. Right now FD is an "announcement" system. I'd love the ability to support "alerts". Ideally players should be able to tag individuals bids which need an audible alert. Alternatively, players might want to be able to color code different bids. The WBF catagorizes different bidding systems as Green/Blue/Red/Yellow. Imagine being able to color code at the the "standard" bids in green and display the "weird stuff " in Red or Blue or whatever. I believe that both of these features would significantly enhance FD by permitting players to prioritize different pieces of information. With this said and done, these features would require significant changes to the FD file format. (In short, I think there are damn good reasons not to focus on scripting at this point in time) >To me it looks like all the threads about complaining of missing alerts now >have disappeared. So either that problem has never been real or simply >aleviated with FD. I'd be surprised if this was anything other than coincidence... I have no statistics regarding the adoption rate for FD. However, I don't see how it could be high enough to impact the user base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I'd be surprised if this was anything other than coincidence... I have no statistics regarding the adoption rate for FD. However, I don't see how it could be high enough to impact the user base Richard I think it is NO coincidence. I think all posters in Forum now have realized that with FD such kind of complainments are re-adressed. The user rate is low of course - so it will be until we will have an option for table host - might be the same for tournament organizers - to secure a convention card is loaded and agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hi folks, Not at all for the first time, I am lost in this computer discussion. What is Full Disclosure (FD)? I see BBO has this new style convention card utility that seems to be called "Work Convention Card". Is that related to FD? I tried BBO search, BBO help, and Google before writing this. No luck. BBO search gives a flood of Forum postings on the general topic of full disclosure but I could not uncover the software Full Disclosure. Google of course gives lots of stuff for lawyers. I tried varous narrower searches. Nope. So, at least for myself, one reason for not using FD is that I don't know what it is, where to find it, or how to use it. As with most computer things, this is no doubt well-known to those who know it, but I am at a loss. Any guidance will be appreciated. I am interested in the general sort of endeavor this apparently makes possible. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 ken, FD automatically loads when you log on... yes, 'work' convention card is directly related to FD... click 'conv' then 'work' then find a default card to use, if you want.. there are a lot already there, bbo adv, bbo inter, sayc, etc... you can also create/save your own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I see BBO has this new style convention card utility that seems to be called "Work Convention Card". Is that related to FD?Thats exactly what it is. I tried Google search - the results there has nothing to do with BBO. The application opening in your computer is called 'Bidedit'. Also obsolete results for that in Google. Your desktop search will solve the problem. I received 4 files for Bidedit and 2 for Full Disclosure on my PC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 hi ken, hopefully fd will meet your needs. if not, there is a commercial program entitled bid4bid. I am not sure bid4bid is still commercially available, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Thanks, guys I have been meaning to try this new cc version and have just not gotten to it. My f2f partner and I had said that when I retired we would write out some stuff. It's been a year annd a half since I retired, and still no writing. At the very least, the new cc should give us a framework for getting started. Incidentally, it will also let me lure him onto BBO. All to the good. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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