whereagles Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 IMP team match, intermediate pard, expert opps. You hold: ♠ Qxx♥ Qxx♦ Qxx♣ ATxx Pard RHO you1♦* . 2♥ . ..? *1♦ = natural or preparatory with 15-17 balanced Pard would have opened 1♣ on a balanced 12-14, so, if he has a min, he has 5 diamonds (eventually 4 with 4441). Possible bids are: passdbl, take-out2NT, natural around 11-123♦, natural around 8-11. No clear agreements as to how many cards it shows. Your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 playing weak NT these hands are a problem. I would X and hope for teh best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 At IMP's, in practice I'd bid 3H, asking for a heart stop. I hope partner is 15-17 with Kx of hearts. If he is not, or lacks a heart stopper, this is a really bad board, probably. Hopefully we can figure out 9 tricks at 3S. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Double caters to most hands I think. I'd like a 4th S but what can you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 if 2NT does not promise a solid ♦ stopper, than i prefer 2NT.Otherwise dbl is the bid of choice here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I'll try 3♦. If partner has a minimum, this will usually be an 8-card or more fit. If partner has the strong 1NT hand, he will make a move over this (since the raise shows 8-11 or thereabouts) and this should get us to 3NT. The only really imaginable hand where 3♦ is not an 8 or more card fit and partner doesn't have the extras to move over it, partner has 4-1-4-4 shape (partner holding four hearts is tough to imagine). In this case the opponents have nine hearts, and may well "save" us from the seven card diamond fit. Honestly I don't have that much experience playing weak NT except in the context of a strong club (or diamond) system. But it seems like raising partner's minor on three cards is probably often a good tactic when in doubt in these methods, since the probability of partner's five-card minor is much higher than in standard, and these bids conveniently show enough values to permit the strong notrumper to bid a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I don't understand the methods: this is not about weak notrumps: the weak notrump is opened 1♣ and the strong 1♦: were you guys playing Romex or something else with an artificial 1N? As it is, I overbid with 2N. And change methods asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 1NT would be 9-11; that's why you open 12-14 and 15-17 with a preparatory 1♣ or 1♦. System is fine. You're just not used to it :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 X and 3♦ show the right strength, and the wrong shape,2N the right shape, and the wrong strength (would be an overbid).I cannot convince myself to consider 3♥.Overall, X is the least evil (hoping not to hear 4♠ from pard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 What Adam said - Have 3♦ require pard to bid 3NT with the balanced range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I would double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Thx all. Hands were[hv=d=w&v=n&w=satxxhxdajxxcatxx&e=sqxxhaxxdq9xcqxxx]266|100|Scoring: IMPPard RHO you1♦ .. 2♥ .. ??[/hv]I believe the technically correct bid here is 3♦, as pard will pass on a 11-14 hand with 5 diamonds, or bid on to 3NT with a 15-17 hand. Double allows pard more rebids, but it can also lead to a hopeless spade contract. Hopeless and needless, as 3♦ is good enough to get you into the right spot. Unfortunately, pard did have the worst-case-scenario hand. LHO bid 3♥ and pard, hoping for 4-5 diamonds across, bid to a bad 4♦ diamond contract. That was indeed a risk of 3♦, but since a 4441 hand is about 2%, I still think it's correct to bid 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Thx all. Hands were[hv=d=w&v=n&w=satxxhxdajxxcatxx&e=sqxxhaxxdq9xcqxxx]266|100|Scoring: IMPPard RHO you1♦ .. 2♥ .. ??[/hv] I don't understand, the original hand posted was Qxx,Qxx,Qxx,ATxx not Qxx,Axx,Q9x,Qxxx :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Oh, you're right. The original hand was misquoted. It was Qxx Axx Q9x Qxxx. Too many queens :rolleyes: Still, I think it doesn't change the conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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