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  1. 1. What's your call?

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    • Double
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    • 3 diamonds
      3
    • 3 clubs
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    • 5 clubs
      25
    • other
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5C and I don't see why I would bid anything else.

 

I am surprised that luis, the one who is always preempting the opponents, doesn't do so here white/red with 3 major suit cards and 5-5 shape.

 

BTW as usual I am not willing to accept that 3D shows a club fit.

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5C and I don't see why I would bid anything else.

 

I am surprised that luis, the one who is always preempting the opponents, doesn't do so here white/red with 3 major suit cards and 5-5 shape.

 

BTW as usual I am not willing to accept that 3D shows a club fit.

I don't disagree with 5, but it surprises me that Justin would not take 3 as a fit-bid by a passed hand. Which passed hand that didn't open 2 or 3 would bid a natural 3 now without a club safety net if partner has a misfit?

 

Roland

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I was debating between 4 fit jump and 5. I felt 4 lets partner make an intelligent decision whether to sacrifice. It also suggests a lead that might be critical if the opponents get to slam. However, any number of diamonds also lets the opponents make a more informed decision. I think blasting to 5 makes their life much tougher. It takes away any keycarding and limits their space severely.
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I don't disagree with 5, but it surprises me that Justin would not take 3 as a fit-bid by a passed hand. Which passed hand that didn't open 2 or 3 would bid a natural 3 now without a club safety net if partner has a misfit?

 

Roland

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Kxxx

KQTxxxx

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I would pass this hand first seat, and I would now bid 3D.

 

For people who preempt this hand and similar hands (or open 1D) I guess it would make sense for 3D to show a fit. With a fit, I would just raise. 3D is higher than 3C, so presumably I'm forcing to 4C opposite a non diamond fit. 3D is so much less preemptive than 4C, I cannot imagine a hand that I would bid 3D on as "fit" rather than 4C.

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[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sxxxhaxxdkqcajtxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

p-1-2-2

5-p - p - 5

p - p - ??? [/hv]

 

You heard the auction, pass or dbl or bid?

Double before partner gets strange ideas about "saving". I'll lead K and take as much as I can against 5. I can't rule out that on some miraculous layout 5 is a make, but I doubt it.

 

Roland

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hmmmm. Bob Hamman always says "trust your red/white opps." I still can't do it and think that I would X with this hand but I remember getting a top with them because he didn't X 4S with 4 top tricks (2 in trumps) and 18 points and it only took 3 tricks. Mark me down for pass, just because I want to see how it works :rolleyes:

 

Of course if the opponents are crazy mark me down for X lol.

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I'm a 5 bidder - I hate a fit bid on an ace-empty suit, pard is meant to think Qxx is a sign to bid on, although it is better than making a natural game-try in a similar suit. Are we red or green vul? At red I wouldn't have overcalled, but on this auction I'll double 5.
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My first instict was to bid 4C to let partner judge whether or not to save but on further review there seems a strong case to take away the 4-level so that the probable double-double major fits must be found at the 5-level - however, this can still be a phantom save and isn't guaranteed to be right.

 

I hate to save without a known double fit and when I have some kind of defensive prospects so I'm sticking with my original plan and bidding 4C. After all, RHO's free 2H doesn't promise the world and partner did make a 2/1 overcall. There just isn't enough of a guarantee for me that this is the opps hand and game will make.

 

Winston

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If 3D is not a fit bid (which I would use), then at least do partner the dignity of a 4NT call. This "should" be a raise to 5C without ability to handle an underlead of the Ace of clubs, a "Leaping Unusual Reverse Rosenkranz 4NT" call.
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I like the suggestion of 4NT, which would combine the best of everything (pre-emption and indication of diamond holding, without committing to a broken suit).

 

On the other side of the table, 5 presents a tough problem, which obviously depends on the kind of oppos you're facing (and I'd like to know at least if 2 is forcing or not). 5 is a funny bid in this auction: oppos should have something like 20 HCP. Give the guy a good heart suit (7 or 8 cards), and you start wondering why he did not bid 4 immediately. Maybe because 4 would be understood as a splinter supporting spades (horrible treatment in a competitive auction), but I think that the only explanation is that the bidder has some fit inspades. If we assume 10 cards (or 11) in the majors, 5 makes more sense. If pard had bid 4NT, I think we should go for 6: maybe we have been suckered, but 5 can make. Strangely, I'm less convinced to go for 6 over 5 by pard. Now oppos might have more points and controls 9including the diamond ace), and 5 might go down. Still, the safer bid would be 6 at IMPS; at MP, it is much more debatable.

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w vs r bidding anything else then 5c or 4nt is a big mistake. Even if 2h is nfb. the cost of letting opps make a 3 or 4 level bid is more costly then the chance of missing a slam (wich is quite slim btw).

 

the only positive argument i see for bidding 3d,4d is if they bid a 5M confidently now maybe it will help my partner take a cheap save or X. but save over game at the 6level are not my cup of tea.

 

Ben

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