Al_U_Card Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sxhxxdat98xcq9xxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP p-1♠-2♣-2♥???[/hv] Do you have any options on this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 3♦, fit non-jump. Showing a fit to the 4 level in clubs a diamond suit, suggests a good lead and keeps 3NT or 5♣ in the picture. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I bid 5♣ if 2♥ was forcing, but would bid 3♦ if it was NFB. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 As a 7 loser hand for clubs, what about a major suit q-bid? Since they are likely to have a H fit, which major is safer for the q-bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 5C and I don't see why I would bid anything else. I am surprised that luis, the one who is always preempting the opponents, doesn't do so here white/red with 3 major suit cards and 5-5 shape. BTW as usual I am not willing to accept that 3D shows a club fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 5C and I don't see why I would bid anything else. I am surprised that luis, the one who is always preempting the opponents, doesn't do so here white/red with 3 major suit cards and 5-5 shape. BTW as usual I am not willing to accept that 3D shows a club fit. I don't disagree with 5♣, but it surprises me that Justin would not take 3♦ as a fit-bid by a passed hand. Which passed hand that didn't open 2♦ or 3♦ would bid a natural 3♦ now without a club safety net if partner has a misfit? Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I was debating between 4♦ fit jump and 5♣. I felt 4♦ lets partner make an intelligent decision whether to sacrifice. It also suggests a lead that might be critical if the opponents get to slam. However, any number of diamonds also lets the opponents make a more informed decision. I think blasting to 5♣ makes their life much tougher. It takes away any keycarding and limits their space severely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 5♣ seems obvious... a fit-bid here is a technical error because you don't fit-bid on broken suits, especially if they're headed by a neutral holding such as an ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sxxxhaxxdkqcajtxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP p-1♠-2♣-2♥5♣-p - p - 5♥ p - p - ??? [/hv] You heard the auction, pass or dbl or bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 While bidding 3D shows some C support I go the way of 5C the bid I expect to give me most help to our side. I only see bidding D as giving more help to the opps than to partner. I feel if he holds a stiff D that is the lead he will likely make to a 5 level contract anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I don't disagree with 5♣, but it surprises me that Justin would not take 3♦ as a fit-bid by a passed hand. Which passed hand that didn't open 2♦ or 3♦ would bid a natural 3♦ now without a club safety net if partner has a misfit? Roland xKxxxKQTxxxxx I would pass this hand first seat, and I would now bid 3D. For people who preempt this hand and similar hands (or open 1D) I guess it would make sense for 3D to show a fit. With a fit, I would just raise. 3D is higher than 3C, so presumably I'm forcing to 4C opposite a non diamond fit. 3D is so much less preemptive than 4C, I cannot imagine a hand that I would bid 3D on as "fit" rather than 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sxxxhaxxdkqcajtxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP p-1♠-2♣-2♥5♣-p - p - 5♥ p - p - ??? [/hv] You heard the auction, pass or dbl or bid? Double before partner gets strange ideas about "saving". I'll lead ♦K and take as much as I can against 5♥. I can't rule out that on some miraculous layout 5♥ is a make, but I doubt it. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 hmmmm. Bob Hamman always says "trust your red/white opps." I still can't do it and think that I would X with this hand but I remember getting a top with them because he didn't X 4S with 4 top tricks (2 in trumps) and 18 points and it only took 3 tricks. Mark me down for pass, just because I want to see how it works :rolleyes: Of course if the opponents are crazy mark me down for X lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 4♦ fitted. I want pard to make an intelligent decision at the 6 level. We are always going to 5♣ on this hand. I like a direct 6♣ too. Hopefully we have a negative or positive slam double in our arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I'm a 5♣ bidder - I hate a fit bid on an ace-empty suit, pard is meant to think Qxx is a sign to bid on, although it is better than making a natural game-try in a similar suit. Are we red or green vul? At red I wouldn't have overcalled, but on this auction I'll double 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 My first instict was to bid 4C to let partner judge whether or not to save but on further review there seems a strong case to take away the 4-level so that the probable double-double major fits must be found at the 5-level - however, this can still be a phantom save and isn't guaranteed to be right. I hate to save without a known double fit and when I have some kind of defensive prospects so I'm sticking with my original plan and bidding 4C. After all, RHO's free 2H doesn't promise the world and partner did make a 2/1 overcall. There just isn't enough of a guarantee for me that this is the opps hand and game will make. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 If 3D is not a fit bid (which I would use), then at least do partner the dignity of a 4NT call. This "should" be a raise to 5C without ability to handle an underlead of the Ace of clubs, a "Leaping Unusual Reverse Rosenkranz 4NT" call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 5♣: preempt your opps, don't give the show away to opps by bidding 3♦... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I like the suggestion of 4NT, which would combine the best of everything (pre-emption and indication of diamond holding, without committing to a broken suit). On the other side of the table, 5♥ presents a tough problem, which obviously depends on the kind of oppos you're facing (and I'd like to know at least if 2♥ is forcing or not). 5♥ is a funny bid in this auction: oppos should have something like 20 HCP. Give the guy a good heart suit (7 or 8 cards), and you start wondering why he did not bid 4♥ immediately. Maybe because 4♥ would be understood as a splinter supporting spades (horrible treatment in a competitive auction), but I think that the only explanation is that the ♥ bidder has some fit inspades. If we assume 10 cards (or 11) in the majors, 5♥ makes more sense. If pard had bid 4NT, I think we should go for 6♣: maybe we have been suckered, but 5♥ can make. Strangely, I'm less convinced to go for 6♣ over 5♣ by pard. Now oppos might have more points and controls 9including the diamond ace), and 5♥ might go down. Still, the safer bid would be 6♣ at IMPS; at MP, it is much more debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 w vs r bidding anything else then 5c or 4nt is a big mistake. Even if 2h is nfb. the cost of letting opps make a 3 or 4 level bid is more costly then the chance of missing a slam (wich is quite slim btw). the only positive argument i see for bidding 3d,4d is if they bid a 5M confidently now maybe it will help my partner take a cheap save or X. but save over game at the 6level are not my cup of tea. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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