jdeegan Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sa4hkq63d98cak765]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-pass-1♦-1♥ - ???[/hv] :angry: Playing with an unknown supposed BBO expert in an individual tourney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 abstain. I strongly object to 1C. I can think of almost no auctions where I do not have a rebid headache on the first or second rebid. I would open 1N with anyone, but especially in an indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 after opening 1C I think you have no choice but to pass now. I would always open 1NT with 2-4-2-5 shape when I have the right number of HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 2C 1 NT would be an underbid, showing 12-14, and anything else is also not very appealing. You could of course Pass, but it is quite likelythat this will end the auction.Partner will assume you hold 12-14 with no heart stopper.You could also DBL, but do you know what DBL means to partner (SupportX, Spades or Penalty)? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 If you play that double would be take-out, partner should realise that you may have a heart-club 2 suiter, and not be able to double for penalty. Hence pass. However, I also would have opened 1NT, to avoid getting end-played in the bidding like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sa4hkq63d98cak765]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-pass-1♦-1♥ - ???[/hv] :unsure: Playing with an unknown supposed BBO expert in an individual tourneyFIRST --- had you agreed ANY system with "expert" ?? 1. IF not I assume sayc applies -- SO I would have opened 1NT -- just to avoid rebid problems :( :angry: 2. NOW I have REALLY made a rod for my own back -- so like Jlall I too ABSTAIN :lol: 3. But practically NOW (having made a HUGE mistake opening 1♣ I will pass :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I might open 1NT in an individual. But not playing with anyone I know or respect.This is a beautiful hand for suit play, which also has no particular reason to want to declare NT. It has no rebid problem, as I am happy to rebid 2H after 1S from partner. Opening 1NT on this hand will miss game too often for my liking. I don't believe I have ever opened 1NT with a 2425. It would have to be something not strong enough to reverse, and also very NT-ey. Something like Kx KJxx Qx KQJxx, not a prime 16-count with no tenaces. As it is, I pass over 1H and don't consider this to be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Pass, and I too would have opened 1NT. I think bidding 1NT now should usually be 18-19 balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 A 1N opening is wrong with this hand in spite of the rebid issues. The hand is very suit oriented and your doubletons aren't strong. Has the auction improved your hand? The heart holding is now more like AK than KQ. I'll take a small position on this and rebid 2N. Pass is a 2nd choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted January 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sjt8ha2dakq7632c9&s=sa4hkq64d98cak765]133|200|Scoring: IMP1♣-P-1♦-1♥-P-P-3NT-P-P-P[/hv] :( :D :P I hereby promise that in any future indy event I will ALWAYS open the south hand for 1NT :P :P :P Just for fun, how would you suggest that a competent pair playing plain vanilla SAYC bid the hands after a 1♣ opener by south? P.S. I enjoyed FrancesHinden and pclayton's comments, and I tend to agree with that analysis. One thing I do know for certain: never open 5-4-2-2 shape for 1NT when playing the 10-12 HCP Kamakazi NT opening. The results are too often brutal. The Law of Total Tricks does not protect you to the normal extent as there is a significantly higher probability of deals with a low number of total tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Playing SAYC, North will respond with a GF 2♦. Next round he will show a solid suit. South can then ask for Aces and bid 7NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sa4hkq63d98cak765]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-pass-1♦-1♥ - ???[/hv] :lol: Playing with an unknown supposed BBO expert in an individual tourney From the answers here it looks that the experts prefer Pass to 1NT after this start. I really wonder why. You hope that partner will balance with a take out double and you can make it penalty?Does 1NT not show something extra or does it just show good stop(s)? If 1NT shows extra's then I least you do show some of your values by bidding 1NT now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 i have a pathological aversion to opening 1nt with 5422 shape, which explains why i prefer canape openings... but with hearts i guess i'd have to open this 1nt... but i really hate it... as for the actual bidding, i think i'd bid 1nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sa4hkq63d98cak765]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-pass-1♦-1♥ - ???[/hv] :) Playing with an unknown supposed BBO expert in an individual tourney From the answers here it looks that the experts prefer Pass to 1NT after this start. I really wonder why. You hope that partner will balance with a take out double and you can make it penalty?Does 1NT not show something extra or does it just show good stop(s)? If 1NT shows extra's then I least you do show some of your values by bidding 1NT now? 1NT now shows less than an opening 1NT hand, probably 13-14 with a good stopper. This hand is MUCH better than that so the 1NT rebid is out of the question. I think that the 2NT rebid, although a bit of an overbid, is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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