han Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 If partner bids 4♦, do you trust this is not just some sort of waiting bid? Yes I do. I may be wrong, but I expect that partner is showing something in diamonds when he bids 4D. Will partner know of your great clubs if his hand is suitable for slam except for no real club support? The answer is no. I think that 4C followed by 5C shows more slam interest than a direct 5C, and I'd better have great clubs for bidding them 3 times after partner has bid spades 3 times. 5C does not bar partner from bidding, true, but it does not sound like slam interest to my ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 If partner bids 4♦, do you trust this is not just some sort of waiting bid? Yes I do. I may be wrong, but I expect that partner is showing something in diamonds when he bids 4D. Will partner know of your great clubs if his hand is suitable for slam except for no real club support? The answer is no. I think that 4C followed by 5C shows more slam interest than a direct 5C, and I'd better have great clubs for bidding them 3 times after partner has bid spades 3 times. 5C does not bar partner from bidding, true, but it does not sound like slam interest to my ears. I think you miss the point of the pressure that the heart bid has placed on the auction. We all will agree that 3♠ is forcing. Some agree it is so forcing that 4♦ still shows a cue=bid is support of spades. But a lot of us (me included) play that in this auction, 4♦ is trying to find a place to play the contract and is not a cue-bid. The reason why is is diamonds on this auction is that you can't afford to leave this descriptive bid to cue-bid and support simply because you do have to bid something without spade support and heart stopper. This also applies to 4♣. Now then, if the auction had been slower, 4♣/5♣ would follow good old fast arrival principles. Nothing could be simplier. But over 3♠, you will not be fortunate enough to always know what the correct stain will be. Should it be clubs? Should it be diamonds? Should it be spades? It might even be notrump, should partner surprise you later in the auction. When you don't know where you are going, what are you going to bid? Surely not 5♣'s. You will bid 4 clubs or 4 diamonds. Now you might stumble into 5♣ should partner support you, or maybe 4♠ if partner persist, or even 4NT or 5♦. You are plucking along trying to find the right spot. I think 5♣ should be reserved for hands where you know, not guess where to go. There is a clear arguement that if you bid 4♣ and pull partners 4♠ to 5♣ you have a good hand (since you could have bid 5♣ before. The problem is what if partner doesn't cooperate but rather rebids 4♦ or 4♥. Would 5♣ do justice to this hand then? And what if you had the I need to find a place to land hand (rather than this I know where we are going hand). So just as the preempt has affected the meaning of 4♦, I think it has affected the meaning of 4♣ and 5♣. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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