jdeegan Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 2C the first time.2N the second time - partner has shown a strong hand of unknown type and the best I can do, being required to bid, is show my shape - this is not extra values as with 5-6 and a diamond stop I would have bid 3N - IMO partner has shown his values to be in the 20 or so range, so my bidding at this point should be much like if he opened 2N - I bid the total value of my hand now. 2N would say that this is high enough for me - 3N says we ought to have a play - and 3C says this is enough and I have long clubs. 2H/2S would just show shape. If I really have the 8-9 top end I would bid 3D. Winston <_< Dynamite problem. A 'bread and butter' bidding situation with excellent players replying with answers all over the map. As a notorious result player, I have to agree with Winstonm. Two NT or 3♣ are the best spots, and his auction gives us the best chance to settle there. His analysis is pretty good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Wow, what a post thread. This thread really surprised me. I must say if we all cannot agree on this one with our expert pick up partner we are going to have problems on most of the rest of our "standard" bidding. :). This seems to be emblematic of most of the threads here. We run the gamut of expertise and even tho the better players and analysts have valid reasons they often fail to agree. I lack a lot of "modern" info on methods but am re-learning. These threads help a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Well I think 2C then 2S is clearly right, and I do not think it promises any values. Generally, the cue bid shows only 3 card support for the first bid suit, or a total rock crusher (bit over a minor suit response he might have 4 card support and is trying to get to NT), so the first order of business is to identify a playable strain. With a better hand I might decide that Txxx was a stopper, but not with this junk. What I definitely do not want partner to think, is that he is facing 5 clubs... Note: There is no hand with any playing potential that I would bid a 5 card minor before a 4 card major at this level, so 2C then 2S shows a hand with only 4 clubs, only 3 spades, that can't bid NT or counter cue-bid (I would bid 3D with Qxx Qxx xxx Qxxx.) Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Wow, what a post thread. This thread really surprised me. I must say if we all cannot agree on this one with our expert pick up partner we are going to have problems on most of the rest of our "standard" bidding. :unsure:. Part of the reason for the disagreement is a consequence of a lack of agreement about the take-out double. There are three main styles of take-out around: - shape suitable or very strong - opposite that you bid your longest suit- emphasis on unbid major(s) - opposite that you bid your better major rather than a 4-card minor- any hand with high cards that wants to get into the auction - opposite that you're screwed All the club bidders (including me) belong I would think to the first camp.The 1S bidders belong to the second and third camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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