Jump to content

You are very weak


kgr

Recommended Posts

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sjxxhxxdtxxxcjxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

What do you bid first and 2nd time? (If you pass first time then also give your second choice to be able to give a 2nd bid ;) )

(1)-DBL-(Pas)-??

(Pas)-2-(Pas)??

(Partner shows 20+ with his DBL + cue)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dealer: West
Vul: None
Scoring: MP
Jxx
xx
Txxx
Jxxx
 

What do you bid first and 2nd time? (If you pass first time then also give your second choice to be able to give a 2nd bid  ;) )

(1)-DBL-(Pas)-??

(Pas)-2-(Pas)??

(Partner shows 20+ with his DBL + cue)

1) 1s

 

2) 2s not 3clubs.

 

 

Partner knows to play me for 2 jacks if he has game in hand.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

First round I bid 2C. Partner has suggested I bid my longest suit and after careful checking I have decided that that is clubs.

 

Second round I bid 2S. Partner has forced me to bid again. My clubs aren't great(!) and spades is my next best suit.

 

By this sequence I have fortuitously managed to inform partner about the location of my hard card strength as well ;)

 

Eric

Link to comment
Share on other sites

first bid 2 -- first it is my best suit, second, minor bids tend to slow partner down... spade bids and they envision 4 too frequently.

 

second bid, now I bid 2. Two ways to look at this, I had spades and choose not show them first time, or I don't have spades and I am broke. I think the second interpretation is correct. This will almost surely be a three card suit and poor hand.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

second bid, now I bid 2. Two ways to look at this, I had spades and choose not show them first time, or I don't have spades and I am broke. I think the second interpretation is correct. This will almost surely be a three card suit and poor hand.

Why not 3 spades and something decent, like the SA instead of jack?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I bid 1 not 2. I don't want pard to think I have a long Club suit.

Pard should haev at least 3 Spades and possibly 4.

I'm forced to bid, if pard bids 2 I'll go back to 2 Spades.

My hand is so weak it's unlikely pard can get in to take any marked finesses.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 [hv=n=sakxhakjxdqxcaktx&s=sjxxhxxdtxxxcjxxx]133|200|[/hv]

These were both hands.

My partner choose to start with 1S and did bid 2H after the cue (to show longer S then H ;) ). I took this as a 5-4 and even with 0 points this could have a play, so I did bid 4H.

...I prefer 2 and 3.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 then 3 is the clearly correct technical answer, in my view. Put another way: that sequence is easily defensible in any post-mortem. Having said that, I would bid 1 then 2 many times: partner is far more likely to hold 4 than 4. Indeed, many players would routinely double with 14 count 4=4=3=2 hands, fearing that pass would block them from the auction. What would I do most often? I cannot answer that question, having peeked at the layout.

 

But the idea of bidding 1 then 2 leaves me (almost) speechless.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

IMO, when partner A forces partner B to bid, and B makes a non-jump bid, A should never expect B to have something rather than nothing.

 

So all three sequences (2 3; 2 2 and 2 3) promise nothing except length in the suit(s) bid.

 

I am almost certain that if I doubled and then cue-bid on the North hand and partner bid twice, then I would at least invite the game (and if I had a working Q instead of Q I would just bid the game). What else am I supposed to do? Make another nebulous forcing bid and hope that this time partner tells me what suit he really has?

 

I have a lot of respect for the people who are advocating 1, 2 but on this occasion I don't see the merit to their approach.

 

Eric

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There are two ways to bid this hand: 1 + 2 or 2 + 3. I'd go for the first option because it allows pard to show his ~21-23 bal hand with 2NT, to which I can pass. On the 2nd option, pard would be forced to shoot at 3NT.

 

However, if you have an agreement that pard's cue is 100% game-forcing, 3NT at the 2nd round is a no-brainer :rolleyes:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

First bid 2. Counted my suit lengths twice and still found more than .

 

Second bid 2. I didn't bid them before, which I would have done with 4 and 5 so can't be that. So 2M here means: Better major and PLEASE stop torturing me.

 

My auction:

 

(1) X - 2

2 - 2

3 Pass

 

(3NT surely won't make, 5 also needs more than Q only now that partner admits having some )

Link to comment
Share on other sites

First bid 2. I agree with the other people who counted their relative suit lengths before deciding what to bid.

 

Second bid. Yuck. Probably 2NT. It's important to agree with partner what bids show extra values after he cues, and what is just shut-up-shop-and-go-home. (I play step 1 over a cue as a negative, everything else showing some values, so would bid 2H but that isn't a standard agreement.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

One of the theories of the bidding process is, the more you bid the more you have. When partner makes a t/o dble the implication is that have support for the unbid suits. A wlecome idea when you have to respond with bupkiss.

 

The doubling hand now has ways to react to the information he has received. If you double and bid a suit of our own we show a strong hand too good for the simple overcall. If we bid a number of NT we imeeply a hand that was strong than 15-18 which is what the first NT overcall would show. If you cue bid we show a strong hand in support of the responded suit that is TOO good to make a simple raise, the 15-17 range t/o dble.

 

If the responder now bids a new suit they show additional values that are expected to be of use to the hand which doubled. Unless you have an agreement to play lebensohl in response to this cue bid, bidding NT now offers a stop which you do not have. Bidding 2S tells partner you have something of use in this suit. Repeating your suit at a minimum level should warn partner that perhaps they should reconsider before bidding again. Personally this is the sort of message I would like to convey, not being that hopeful any of my J's will provide the fill ins to partners big hand. The last thing I would consider is making any attempt to play some 4-3 S game when I am taking ruffs in the long trump hand.

 

Lasatly if my partner were to bid again after 3C, for example 4C, I would bid game in that strain and expect to make it because now I have the extras he must be searching for, or perhaps he failed to hear that I advertised nothing prior to his raise to 4C.

 

I would not be unhappy if a partner bid 1S in response to the t/o dble. If this was the choice then you must bid 2S after the cue bid.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2C the first time.

2N the second time - partner has shown a strong hand of unknown type and the best I can do, being required to bid, is show my shape - this is not extra values as with 5-6 and a diamond stop I would have bid 3N - IMO partner has shown his values to be in the 20 or so range, so my bidding at this point should be much like if he opened 2N - I bid the total value of my hand now. 2N would say that this is high enough for me - 3N says we ought to have a play - and 3C says this is enough and I have long clubs. 2H/2S would just show shape. If I really have the 8-9 top end I would bid 3D.

 

Winston

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you respond 1M to a first double and then 2 of a minor to a second double I take that as a poor hand with a longer minor than major (typically 4-5)and a bust because with up to 4-7 hcp I would just repeat the major. Would that idea not apply here? S then C showing a weak hand with longer C? The q-bid just makes his hand stronger, as far as I can see.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...