Winstonm Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sa42hq8dqj642cqj3]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner opens 1C in first seat and East overcalls 2H. 1C-2H-?[/hv] What will you do now? Double? Bid 3D? Pass? Bid 3C? Bid 3H? Seems about the only 2 calls available that don't endplay partner into a forced 3N are double and 3C. And do you really want to force partner to bid 3N on Kx of hearts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 x then 3♦ the reason is that overcall 3♦ directly is game forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 3♦. Maybe partner has Ax in ♥ and we just right-sided 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 3D, and yes I very much hope I endplay partner into 3N. Where else would I want to play with this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 3D, and yes I very much hope I endplay partner into 3N. Where else would I want to play with this hand? My exact feelings. Why should I be afraid if pard bids 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 horrible hand, and good example of why people play weak jump overcalls. 3♦ is a gross overbid, but I am red at imps and I want partner to play 3N if it is biddable: why should he hold Kx rather than Ax or Kxx (both are good for a tempo) or Axx...? Of course, when the worst bid one can hear is a raise..... poor partner looking at KQx Jx Axx Kxxxx: bids 4♦... now what??? Is this passable... ie should he always bid 3♥ (or splinter with 4♥) with gf raises, pulling 3N to 4♦ with a big hand? I bet that in the BW MSC, double would get the most votes, but I really don't like it. So I make the gross overbid: 3♦ BTW, a great advertisement for playing weak 1N in 1st and 2nd red: I do in one partnership, and it would be a relief to know that partner was not 11-14 balanced :) Whereas I suspect he is and I hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysen2k Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I also choose 3♦. It's not too much of an overbid unless partner opens light. Although if partner opens light, I should be using NFB and the correct bid for that is probably 3♦ too, although I'd like a better suit. :) Tysen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 horrible hand, and good example of why people play weak jump overcalls. 3♦ is a gross overbid, but I am red at imps and I want partner to play 3N if it is biddable: why should he hold Kx rather than Ax or Kxx (both are good for a tempo) or Axx...? Of course, when the worst bid one can hear is a raise..... poor partner looking at KQx Jx Axx Kxxxx: bids 4♦... now what??? Is this passable... ie should he always bid 3♥ (or splinter with 4♥) with gf raises, pulling 3N to 4♦ with a big hand? I bet that in the BW MSC, double would get the most votes, but I really don't like it. So I make the gross overbid: 3♦ BTW, a great advertisement for playing weak 1N in 1st and 2nd red: I do in one partnership, and it would be a relief to know that partner was not 11-14 balanced :) Whereas I suspect he is and I hate it. hi , could you tell me what is <BW MSC> meaning?thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 BTW, a great advertisement for playing weak 1N in 1st and 2nd red: I do in one partnership, and it would be a relief to know that partner was not 11-14 balanced :) Whereas I suspect he is and I hate it. I'd rather he could have a weak NT this time, and not have to wonder if he has a strong NT when I am dealt a similar hand two or three points weaker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 hi , could you tell me what is <BW MSC> meaning?thanks The Master Solvers Club in the Bridge World: a great forum for bidding issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 [hv=s=sq73hk2d103cak9842]133|100|[/hv] Time for the rest of the story - this was partner's hand and 8 tricks at NT is the maximum. At the table, I made a negative doulbe, not liking it a lot but liking 3D even less, and LHO raised to 3H and passed back to me - it sounded to me as if partner was most likely to hold a 3235 pattern with 12-ish and we didn't rate to have game our way so I elected to simply pass and try to go plus. Turns out we lost a couple of imps as our partners defended 3N for plus 100. In retrospect, I really think the best bid on this hand is the 3 club underbid - this is most likely to get partner excited with the right hand and as Eddie Kantar used to preach to Billy Eisenberg, "When they preempt I don't have short clubs!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 thank mikeh, could you tell me the <http> of Master Solvers Club in the Bridge World?ty winstonm, i think we will sign off 3♣ when you raise 3♣ by underbid, unless opps help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Seems like you would be defending 3H if partners spade queen was the king as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Seems like you would be defending 3H if partners spade queen was the king as well. True - but with Kxx, Kx, xxx, AKxxx there are still only 8 tricks and now 3H doesn't make. B) Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 True - but with Kxx, Kx, xxx, AKxxx there are still only 8 tricks and now 3H doesn't make. B) Winston it doesnt? We get 2 clubs a spade and a heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 [hv=s=sq73hk2d103cak9842]133|100|[/hv] Time for the rest of the story - this was partner's hand and 8 tricks at NT is the maximum. At the table, I made a negative doulbe, not liking it a lot but liking 3D even less, and LHO raised to 3H and passed back to me - it sounded to me as if partner was most likely to hold a 3235 pattern with 12-ish and we didn't rate to have game our way so I elected to simply pass and try to go plus. Turns out we lost a couple of imps as our partners defended 3N for plus 100. In retrospect, I really think the best bid on this hand is the 3 club underbid - this is most likely to get partner excited with the right hand and as Eddie Kantar used to preach to Billy Eisenberg, "When they preempt I don't have short clubs!". Pass, why bid if partner opens lightish.3H if partner opens sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 True - but with Kxx, Kx, xxx, AKxxx there are still only 8 tricks and now 3H doesn't make. ;) Winston it doesnt? We get 2 clubs a spade and a heart. 2S, 2C, and a heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 True - but with Kxx, Kx, xxx, AKxxx there are still only 8 tricks and now 3H doesn't make. ;) Winston it doesnt? We get 2 clubs a spade and a heart. 2S, 2C, and a heart good point :P I usually lose a trick with my AKs :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 thank mikeh, could you tell me the <http> of Master Solvers Club in the Bridge World?ty The Bridge World is a print magazine, you have to subscribe to it. It's well worth it, it is THE bridge magazine on this planet. I learned a lot from reading it, and half only been doing so for less than a year. There is still a special offer in the lobby news of BBO, I think. On their website, they have only a couple of samplers. (www.bridgeworld.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 thank mikeh, could you tell me the <http> of Master Solvers Club in the Bridge World?ty The Bridge World is a print magazine, you have to subscribe to it. It's well worth it, it is THE bridge magazine on this planet. I learned a lot from reading it, and half only been doing so for less than a year. There is still a special offer in the lobby news of BBO, I think. On their website, they have only a couple of samplers. (www.bridgeworld.com) T H A N K S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Well, this is a very simple problem for me: over 2♥, I would just bid 2NT. Yes, I might see opps taking out the first 6-7 tricks if pard passes this, but in all other cases pard will have a clear pic of what I have and can rise to the occasion. Besides, if he's worried about stoppers, he can always cue 3♥ to check if my "stopper" is a joke or not :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I wouldn't be surprised if I had scored -530 on this deal :). Partially fixed by my own methods: 1♣-(2♥)-3♣*-3♥ps-ps-X-ps.... 3♣ is ambiguous strenght showing ♦.X shows GF values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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