cherdano Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 You hold ♠KJTx ♥Kxx ♦KJTxx ♣x, and although this is not clear in your partnership style (your min for balanced hands is 12 or excellent 11, and for unbalanced around rule of 20 with judgement, so it's not clear the nice tens make up for the lack of aces), you decide to open this 1♦. Partner bids 1♠, which you raise to 2♠, and makes a game try with 3♣.RHO surprises you by doubling for the lead (think I mentioned opponents didn't always make sense in the other thread...). What do you do? Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 3♥, counter trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 What kind of game tries are we playing? Help Suit? Natural? If its a help suit, I go to 4♠. If its natural, I counter with 3♦, which I think is a little more descriptive than 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 I agree with Phil, but I think that 3H is more descriptive than 3D. It is not clear whether the singleton club is good or really bad, but partner will know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 I will pass and let partner make another game try after due consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 What kind of game tries are we playing? Help Suit? Natural? If its a help suit, I go to 4♠. If its natural, I counter with 3♦, which I think is a little more descriptive than 3♥. Long suit trial bids, whatever that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 i assumed help suit and bid 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mghmaine Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Help suit ! You have no help. Help suit asks usually do not like singletons, but rather high cards. You have a dead min and no help. If you do not bid 3S with this, then what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 i disagree with this.. sure, if i had ♣KTxx that would be help... but so is a stiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 4S. I would bid 3H with 3451 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 4♠. Minimum, but good trumps and a diamond suit which can bring tricks. Edit: the only alternative (a weaker one, IMO) would be 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I don't think that it is clear that a stiff will be helpful (although it is almost always better than xxx). Partner may have Axxx or KJxx in clubs, and over 3H he will know whether the stiff club is helpful. If you have the agreement that 3H shows 3-4-5-1 shape then that is of course a problem. I haven't discussed this auction, but I think that I might bid 3NT with that shape. I think that 4S is much better than 3S, but it would be nice if we could tell partner about our hand. Many people play 2NT as an asking bid, which might have been useful here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 True, 3♥ might be best. Nobody commented on the double, but that is what persuaded me to bid 4♠ directly at the table. If RHO has strong values in the suit, partner won't have much wasted. Even RHO has AQxx over partner's KJTx, we know the ruffing finesse is on, so life promises should be good when we don't lose 4 top tricks. At the table, this was right, as partner had ♠Axxxx ♥QJ ♦x ♣Axxxx, but of course he would have accepted any re-try. The double was based on ♣KQx, btw, not sure why he was so desperate to get this lead against 3NT (the only likely contract against which he would not be on lead).... Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 why did he bid 3C? trying for slam seems optimistic with that hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 What is 3c grand slam try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 The value of a singleton in a help suit try is determined in large part by the total trumps held - not so valuable in a 4-4 fit. This would point me toward a retrial of 3D as saying I'm unlcear but interested. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I'd sign-off in 3♠. I don't like the club wastage, I have a dead min and my hand lacks controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I'd sign-off in 3♠. I don't like the club wastage, I have a dead min and my hand lacks controls. Agree with Nuno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 <_< 4♠. An easy problem. I have a near max for my bidding but a terrible hand for slam. So, bid the game straightaway so as to do nothing to encourage slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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