8 cards suit

[adhoc3]

IMP games, Vul vs NON

 

KQx

---

xx

AQTxxxxx

 

Your pd opened 1S, you repond with 2C, Pard 2H, now what you gonna do?

[mike777]

2s. slam try.

 

I cannot make a stronger bid, could be grand slam try.

[Free]

depends on the system... 2/1 would have a great 2♠ bid here, sayc or similar has to bid something else, probably 4th suit or so.

[adhoc3]

Ok, let's continue

 

1S---2C

2H---2S

4S---?

 

Now what?

 

If:

1S---2C

2H---2S

3C---?

 

:)

[Blofeld]

You know, I'm rather tempted to rebid my 8-card suit.

[Free]

Ok, let's continue

 

1S---2C

2H---2S

4S---?

 

Now what?

 

If:

1S---2C

2H---2S

3C---?

 

:)

Still depends on the system. The first auction would never occur for me, since 4♠ is a ridiculous bid. Either start with 4th suit and use serious NT, or start cuebidding.

 

Second auction makes things easy, since partner shows a tophonour in our suit, which is the K. We only need to find a control ♦, so just bid 3NT. With a ♦ control, p will bid 4♦.

[cherdano]

You know, I'm rather tempted to rebid my 8-card suit.

Maybe we should see a doc, or start anonymous 8-card suit rebidders.

[pclayton]

I'm OK with either 2♠ or 3♣ assuming 2/1. Where are the diamonds? If pard has a fragment, this potentially becomes a tricky hand, since pard probably needs to set up the club suit and draw trump ending in dummy. That task might be a problem if my hand gets tapped at T1.

 

If I rebid 2♠ then 4♠ shows a dead minimum, I have a legitimate worry about hands like: ♠AJxxx ♥AQxx ♦xxx ♣x.

 

Whats curious about this hand is that 6♣ is a fair spot, but make it a 5=4=4=0 and 6♣ has zero play. 5♣ is better than 4♠ too.

 

So I'll just pass 4♠.

 

I wonder what will happen if I rebid my 8-bagger?

[kgr]

depends on the system... 2/1 would have a great 2♠ bid here, sayc or similar has to bid something else, probably 4th suit or so.

in SAYC:

1♠-2♣

2♥-3♠

What does this show in SAYC? I thought it swows good ♣ suit, ♠ fit and interessed in slem. Or is that not standard?

[adhoc3]

1S---2C

2H---2S

4S---//

 

This sequence is out. A little bit better that what the opps have bid at my table:

1S---2C

2H---4S//

 

 

Depend on styles, the 3rd stage of the bidding:

 

1S---2C

2H---2S

3C---3NT(serious)

4D---??

 

1S---2C

2H---3C

3NT---??

 

You dont have voidwood available. :)

[HeartA]

Still depends on the system. The first auction would never occur for me, since 4♠ is a ridiculous bid. Either start with 4th suit and use serious NT, or start cuebidding.

 

Second auction makes things easy, since partner shows a tophonour in our suit, which is the K. We only need to find a control ♦, so just bid 3NT. With a ♦ control, p will bid 4♦.

never say never.

 

what do you suggest opener to bid with ♠AJxxx, ♥KQxx, ♦Qxx, ♣J?

[Fluffy]

I will play in ♣, dunno how many, I woudl bid 4♣, not 2♠

[adhoc3]

I will play in ♣, dunno how many,  I woudl bid 4♣, not 2♠

Here's the Key.

 

[hv=n=sxhqjxxxdxxxxxcjx&w=saxxxxhtxxxdaqckx&e=skqxhdxxcaqtxxxxx&s=sjtxxhakxxdkjxxcx]399|300|Actual Bidding:

1S----2C

2H----4S//[/hv]

 

There's no hope for spade contract, but 7C is stone. The declarer was so hopeless when he found spade break 1-4. A beautiful 8 cards suit become wastage, 4 spade went down.

 

Interesting I had a very similar hand myself yesterday when planing at lobby:

 

♠Axx

♥AT9xxxxx

♦K

♣x

 

Pard opened 1S too:

 

1S-----2H

3C-----3S

pass.....ooops......arent we play 2/1?

"SAYC."

 

What's your plan if you were I?

[Guest Jlall]

in 2/1 I would start 1S-2C-2H-2S-2N (shape). Now east knows he has a 10 card club fit.

[whereagles]

My feeling is that this hand should be dealt with great care and attention. It can be a huge double fit, but can also be a trap if pard has a singleton or void club and wasted red values.

 

As always, when one need to tread one's path carefully, staying low is the best option. I would start with rebidding 2 or 3♠, whichever is the forcing bid in your system.

 

Obviously, if pard is random, I might just shoot at 6♠ 2nd round :rolleyes:

[Blofeld]

in 2/1 I would start 1S-2C-2H-2S-2N (shape). Now east knows he has a 10 card club fit.

Right, but how is he going to let West know about this?

 

It seems (to my naive viewpoint) that there's a significant danger into being endplayed into a spade contract if you bid 2♠ at your second chance.

[cherdano]

I think the actual layout is not untypical and the 4♠ bid got what it deserved. (I can understand 2♠ as you may still get the chance to bid clubs twice later, while you may never be able to show 3-card support after 3♣. I still prefer 3♣ though.)

 

Arend

[Guest Jlall]

Right, but how is he going to let West know about this?

 

It seems (to my naive viewpoint) that there's a significant danger into being endplayed into a spade contract if you bid 2♠ at your second chance.

Well for starters he will jump to 4C (not gerber :)). If west deems it correct to ever play in a spade slam rather than a club slam after this with Axxxx and Kx he's pretty hopeless.

 

I never feel endplayed into playing a certain suit when my partner knows my whole shape. If he at some points bids a slam in a suit he's already bid naturally I will almost always pass (depending on suit quality).