cherdano Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Ok, one more (yes I had league today): You hold ♠AK76 ♥6 ♦AQ763 ♣AJT and overcall (IMPs, all vulnerable) 1♦ after RHO opens 1♣. Your partner raises to 2♦ while the opponents stay silent. What is your plan? How high will you go? If you start with...2♠ or 3♣, partner will reply 3♦. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 I think that 3H is a splinter here and I'd bid it. btw, do you play Rubens advances here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 btw, do you play Rubens advances here? Nope (but 2♣ would be a good hand with fit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 5D1) Do not want to make any confusing bids2) Give up on slam when opp open on one level.3) I assume p has bid to "lawful level"....cue=good hand, 3d=weak with 4, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 2S 100% forcing. Partner is not required to bid 1S when holding a diamond fit - there is no reason to rush the auction as LHO has remained quiet. If partner can only bid 3D over 2S then I'll make the splinter of 4H. The sequence should make partner sit up and take notice that his once-believed dead club king has been resurrected and xx, Jxxx, Kxxx, Kxx is now a mighty fine hand. And if I happen to catch him with Qxxx, Jxxx, Kxx, Qx his eyes still might light up when he knows what values are golden and which are trash. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 2S 100% forcing. Partner is not required to bid 1S when holding a diamond fit - there is no reason to rush the auction as LHO has remained quiet. If partner can only bid 3D over 2S then I'll make the splinter of 4H. The sequence should make partner sit up and take notice that his once-believed dead club king has been resurrected and xx, Jxxx, Kxxx, Kxx is now a mighty fine hand. And if I happen to catch him with Qxxx, Jxxx, Kxx, Qx his eyes still might light up when he knows what values are golden and which are trash. Winston I agree 2♠ is the best bidding, but i doubt which 4♥ is a good choice after negative 3♦ back. why not bid 4♣ simply to show your shape under 4♦? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I dislike 2S followed by 4H, you bypass 3NT which is likely the best spot. A direct splinter can get you to 3NT as well as 4S. If partner has nothing wasted in hearts then you have plenty room left to investigate slam. I think that Mikeh hasn't seen this thread yet. Am I absolutely certain that 3H does not show 5-6 in the red suits and a very good hand? No I am not certain, but I think that it should be a splinter. With 5-6 or better I can start with 2H and then rebid 3H or 4H, the auction is not about to explode. If I'm not confident that partner will interpret 3H as a splinter then I'd bid 2S followed by 3NT. This should give partner a similar idea (diamonds, spades, club stopper, very good hand), although it doesn't guarantee heart weakness or shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 2S followed by 4C. Unlike Hannie I'm not too optimistic about our chances about NT and will pretty much give up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 2♠ seems a good start to describe this. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 2S followed by 4C. Unlike Hannie I'm not too optimistic about our chances about NT and will pretty much give up on it. Would you give up if partner replies 3♦ and 4♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 2S followed by 4C. Unlike Hannie I'm not too optimistic about our chances about NT and will pretty much give up on it. Would you give up if partner replies 3♦ and 4♦? If I trust him yes, I would assume he had heart wastage or just a horrible raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Why do you give up on 3NT Justin? The diamond king and a heart stopper should make it excellent while 5D needs a little more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 2♠ seems obvious, and (as is usually but not always the case) obvious is correct here. If partner shows no interest, via 3♦, I'll try again with 4♣ as with Justin. Yes, this means giving up on 3N, but why should we have 9 tricks after the expected ♥ lead: I bid ♦ then ♠ then notrump: what do we expect LHO to lead? That is not to say that 3N would not make: just that I do not consider the chances of it being correct to be worth giving up on what I see as the most logical sequence to reach a good 5♦ or to stop short in 4♦, opposite xxx KJxx KJx xxx (and I know that 3N is a good spot opposite that last hand... but opposite Qxx Kxx KJxx xxx it is awful if LHO leads a ♥ spot higher than dummy's top x. As for a 3♥ splinter immediately, I don't like it: I am not going to give up on a ♠ game or slam that easily. Give partner Qxxxx xxx KJxx x and he should raise ♦ (in my view) rather than bid ♠. I can reach 6♠ if he upgrades to a splinter over 2♠... I'm probably dreaming :o And 5-6 in the reds would be bid either by an immediate 2N (if that is the lower unbids) or by 1♦, 2♥, 3♥... for me at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I think that 3H is a splinter here and I'd bid it. btw, do you play Rubens advances here? I would regret to no had done it previous round and pass 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 mikeh, I don't like your posts when you disagree with me, you make too much sense. Although I'm basically convinced by you as well as the many others who have made their cases for 2S, I will make one last case for the direct splinter by considering the hands you posted: xxx KJxx KJx xxx: As you said 3NT is best and you'd get there. Qxx Kxx KJxx xxx 3NT is awful from our side but 3NT from partner's side is cold. Take away the spade queen and 3NT from partner's side is much better than 5D. Qxxxx xxx KJxx x: Can partner really have this hand, I suspect Arend plays 3C as a mixed raise. After the heart splinter partner will be delighted, but you might get to 6D instead of 6S. A bad hand for the splinter would be something like Qxxx Kxxx Jxx xx (4S much better than 3NT). This seems a common hand so I guess you are all correct with 2S. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I think that 3H is a splinter here and I'd bid it. btw, do you play Rubens advances here? I would regret to no had done it previous round and pass 3♦ Not sure what you are trying to say Fluffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 While Han has lost the discussion here, he would have won at the table, as partner had ♠Jxx ♥K8x ♦KJxx ♣xxx. I tried 2♠ and just bid 5♦ over 3♦, -100, push. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 While Han has lost the discussion here, he would have won at the table, as partner had ♠Jxx ♥K8x ♦KJxx ♣xxx. I tried 2♠ and just bid 5♦ over 3♦, -100, push. Arend Seems partner had a 3club bid (mixed raise) not 2d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Wouldn't this hand bid 2N over 2S? Now three clubs followed by 3D and then 3N.As long as responder bids 2N over 2S, all the splinter ideas are discarded. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 What the actual hand was is of course unrelated to the best bid in theory... but I opened a bottle of champagne anyway. ;) I disagree with the comments concerning partner's bidding. This 4333 is unattractive for a mixed raise imo, and 2NT with xxx in clubs is.... weird unless 2NT is conventional (which Arend doesn't seem to play). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Ok, one more (yes I had league today): You hold ♠AK76 ♥6 ♦AQ763 ♣AJT and overcall (IMPs, all vulnerable) 1♦ after RHO opens 1♣. Your partner raises to 2♦ while the opponents stay silent. What is your plan? How high will you go? If you start with...2♠ or 3♣, partner will reply 3♦. Arend I would have started with a DBL. Nobody else mentioned it, so it looks very wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I would have started with a DBL. Nobody else mentioned it, so it looks very wrong?For most people (some very good italians excluded) double shows support for all unbid suits, and certainly all unbid majors, or an extremely good hand able to bid its own suit over any foreseeable response. Here, the stiff ♥ makes double very bad, if you play this method (which I think 95% or more of good players play) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I would have started with a DBL. Nobody else mentioned it, so it looks very wrong?For most people (some very good italians excluded) double shows support for all unbid suits, and certainly all unbid majors, or an extremely good hand able to bid its own suit over any foreseeable response. Here, the stiff ♥ makes double very bad, if you play this method (which I think 95% or more of good players play) Thanks for the answer Mike.Are only Italians doubling with this or is Italians the bridge-word for Europeans? ;) I still wonder if it is American style not to DBL or typical Italian to DBL.I play with my partner that DBL and bidding a new suit shows 16+ and a 5-card suit. Not sure if I should bid 1NT or 2D after partner bids 1H.If I follow with 1D then my partner will raise to 2D or 3D with support and 0 to 10 points. (certainly not vulnerable). So bidding 1D would make it more difficult then DBL first....probably we play too much MP's. (At the other hand I don't like it if opps preempt to 3-level and I have no clear idea about their strength, so maybe it has some advantages) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I think kgr is right that many European players double much more often than most North American players including this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I think kgr is right that many European players double much more often than most North American players including this hand. Not only double but win very often with this style, America asks how? ;). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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