Al_U_Card Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=shjt98xdaqtxxxctx]133|100|Scoring: IMP p - p - 1♣- 1♠dbl-2♠-2NT- p -???[/hv] What should pard's hand be :o and should we continue <_< and how? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=shjt98xdaqtxxxctx]133|100|Scoring: IMP p - p - 1♣- 1♠dbl-2♠-2NT- p -???[/hv] What should pard's hand be :( and should we continue <_< and how? :( May I please go back and open a weak 2D in first seat fav vul? :oMay I please go back and bid 2D over 1s which would be forcing but not promise a rebid :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 There are some questions about the meaning of the auction. I'll assume that partner's 2NT is natural, showing 18-19 balanced (approximately); certainly good/bad is a reasonable interpretation, and a weaker balanced hand might be possible (if partner's a lunatic, or if you play weak notrump openings). In this auction I think 3♦ or 3♥ should be forcing, even though these both show hands too weak to bid their suit directly over 1♠. The target of a non-game contract after partner shows 18-19 is too narrow to be worth trying to hit it. I'll go with 3♦, planning to bid 4♥ next if partner tries 3NT. This conveniently shows both the shape (why bid hearts again when your negative double already showed hearts, holding only four?) as well as strength (with a good 5-6 surely I would start with 2♦). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 abstain... I have to admit I would open WEST hand 1♦ (gasp... yes, this is a Zarfull 26 plus bonuses for concentration -- if you can call it that -- honors in two suits). If I was filling in for someone who passed this and was called away to rescue a cat stuck in a tree, I would rebid 2♦ here. But question, is 2NT here (after they bid and raised spades) suppose to be the beginning of good/bad 2NT? If so I still rebid only 3♦, but would be nice to now for future reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 agree with first pass, agree with X, don't think either is particularly close. Over 2N 18-19 I will bid 3D to show diamonds and force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Not sure why everyone is rebidding 3d over p 18-19 2nt bid. Would that not show more slam interest with more hcp and/or more balanced hand? I would just bid 5d now but thanks for letting me object to my first two bids <_<. Partner knows I got 8 hcp somewhere outside of spades. It seems 3d would show something like:xx=Axxx=AQxxx=xxor evenx=AJxx=AQxxx=xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 NOT good-bad 2NT. I took it for 18-19 with 2 sure ♠ stoppers in NT. My question relates to whether 3♥ showing 5 is more descriptive than the weaker sounding 3♦ that might be made on ♦ only.......???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Not sure why everyone is rebidding 3d over p 18-19 2nt bid. Would that not show more slam interest with more hcp and/or more balanced hand? I would just bid 5d now but thanks for letting me object to my first two bids <_<. Partner knows I got 8 hcp somewhere outside of spades. It seems 3d would show something like:xx=Axxx=AQxxx=xxor evenx=AJxx=AQxxx=xxx Game before slam. For similar reasons 1N-p-2H-p-2S-p-3C is not necessarily slam interest. Sometimes you just look for the right game, if you have slam interest sort that out later. btw on the first hand you gave I would just bid 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I bid 3♦ now (over 2N) content in the knowledge that partner will often bid 3♥ 'on the way' with a 3 card suit, and thus allow me to back into that suit. I will pass 3N: I agree that bidding 3♦ and then pulling to 4♥ shows this shape, but I am not fond of 5-2 fits at the 4-level, when the 5 card suit is weak, and a 6-3 5♦ contract does not fill my heart with joy either. If my partner bids 2N then 3N he gets to see dummy. This is not a slam move: as Justin says, bidding should be aimed firstly at finding the correct strain for game and only after strain is established do we, in ambiguous auctions, begin to bid towards slam: this approach is sumarized as 'game before slam'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Hi 3D, at least after a couple of rounds,I need to show where I live, partnerdoes not have a 4 card heart suit,he has wastage in spade, and he will have +18HCP. If 2NT was artificial, i.e. good/bad or Lebensohl,I would bid 3C, to see, what partner wants me to tell. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 3D ... i'll go read the other comments now, but i'd guess partner is 3235 or maybe even 4144 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 The pass as dealer is fine. I disagree with the double on the 2nd round. The auction can easily come back at 3 (or 4)♠. This hand is good enough to start showing suits: I'd bid 3♦. If I was making a phone call, and someone subbed for me the 1st 2 rounds of bidding, now (fronting a balance 18-19 HCP, even with wasted values in spades) I would bid 4♦: clearly an "impossible" bid, can only show a red 2-suiter [if it is too unconventional for your tastes, try 3♠, followed by 4♦] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 3 Diamond, as this shows a red two suiter, at least with 10 red cards.Else, I can bid Clubs or NT, or a neboulous overcall. PD will bid 3 Heart with 3 HEarts, so I can easy find the right spot.PD will understand, as I have no onesuiter, else I had open or bid it earlier and no balnced hand. And he won´t think about slam, after all, I passed as dealer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sq987hakdxxcakjxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPNot crazy about 3NT after 3D, I pulled to 4H and every card was wrong so 3NT was also down 3.....[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhoc3 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Passed hand, negative double and 3D, precise description. I dont like 2NT, neither 3NT, however understand it's a hard time. I'll try double 2S, pard will understand that I suggest penalty. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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