pclayton Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 NV, IMPs. [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sxhakjtxxdqxxxcax]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Discussed this hand with Justin yesterday after the BBO Juniors. The opps are silent. You open 1♥ and pard bids a forcing NT. Your rebid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 NV, IMPs. [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sxhakjtxxdqxxxcax]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Discussed this hand with Justin yesterday after the BBO Juniors. The opps are silent. You open 1♥ and pard bids a forcing NT. Your rebid? 2h wtp Minimum hand what's the problem? 14 hcp, 6 card suit, 3QT, unbalanced hand, can hardly have less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 There's smaller chance for 2♦ to be passed by partner than it is for 2♥. It depends what 1NT could be. I have a nice shape with only 5 losers, so the final destination seems to be 4♥. If partner's hand is limited, then I could well bid them right away, so 4♥ is my second choice, but we'll lose the chance of finding a ♦ slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Close. 2H. Not quite good enough for 3. 2D is out - hearts is where I live. There are days I would bid 3, but I'm having the other kind of day :P Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 hearts is where I live. But where does partner live? I bid 2♦ and raise a 2♥ rebid from partner to 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I also bid 2♦ which has less chance to be passed. I raise 2♥ rebid to 3♥ Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Too close to call: it depends how light we open. I might rebid 2♥, or I might rebid 2♦ intending to raise 2♥ to three. I don't think it's relevant that 2♦ is less likely to be passed. The only question to consider is whether we're strong enough to raise to 3♥ after 1♥:1NT,2♦:2♥. If not then we should rebid 2♥ rather than 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 NV, IMPs. Dealer: South Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ x ♥ AKJTxx ♦ Qxxx ♣ Ax Discussed this hand with Justin yesterday after the BBO Juniors. The opps are silent. You open 1♥ and pard bids a forcing NT. Your rebid? 2h wtp Minimum hand what's the problem? 14 hcp, 6 card suit, 3QT, unbalanced hand, can hardly have less. It depends on your opening style, of course. I would definitely open 1♥ if the ♥K were a small one. I would open ♠x ♥KJTxxx ♦QTxx ♣Ax with many partners. So I can't rebid 2♥ with an ace more, and would follow the Gerben-plan (2♦ then 3♥). I expect partner to move to 2♥ with most hands that have 2-4 in the red suits. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Wow - I just ran this hand through K and R and it came out at 18.25 points. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Too strong for a 2♥ rebid. Playing what I play, I would rebid 2♣ (riton 2♣) showing a variety of possible good hands, the expected reply (but not forced) by partner is 2♦. I will then rebid 2♥ to show this hand. If partner instead rebids 2♥ over 2♣ I will pass. Not playing Riton 2♣ (as in this case), I will follow the advice of malucy in this forum and rebid 2♦ which is almost never passed (and if it is passed here, it is likely to be right). To see mike's discussion of rebidding over forcing 1NT, check out these old links. 6 card Majors after 1NT forcing? Requirements for Rebids After (1M-1N) BTW, it is good to see malucy back on the BBO... .maybe he will come back here too.... :-) Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I would rather bid 3♥ than 2. But it is a 2♦ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 2D, I do not even need the Queen in diamond, wtp :P With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I also bid 2♦ which has less chance to be passed.I raise 2♥ rebid to 3♥ count me in on raising the H pref. to 3 to invite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 NV, IMPs. <!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> None </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> x </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AKJTxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Qxxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> Ax </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end --> Discussed this hand with Justin yesterday after the BBO Juniors. The opps are silent. You open 1♥ and pard bids a forcing NT. Your rebid? 2h wtp Minimum hand what's the problem? 14 hcp, 6 card suit, 3QT, unbalanced hand, can hardly have less. It depends on your opening style, of course. I would definitely open 1♥ if the ♥K were a small one. I would open ♠x ♥KJTxxx ♦QTxx ♣Ax with many partners. So I can't rebid 2♥ with an ace more, and would follow the Gerben-plan (2♦ then 3♥). I expect partner to move to 2♥ with most hands that have 2-4 in the red suits. Arend :P typical nv weak 2h opener Will let the expert players who play the hands better open 1h. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I thought this was a clear 3H bid, but maybe I've been playing strong club for too long. My second choice was 2D, since I think there's too much here for a simple 2H rebid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Well I had my doubts..... I gave this hand to Chris Larsen a few minutes ago and it was an automatic 3♥ call for him. He would rather "die" than bid 2♦ on a hand like this. His exact words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 This may sound weird, but 2C. This, of course, requires agreements and discussion. The idea (especially at IMP's) is that 2C is semi-forcing and semi-artificial. Especially here (1+). True, 2D shows 4+, which I have, but I want to use 2C as a temporizing bid, to allow me to do something neat later. If partner bids 2D next, I jump to 3H, which should show (if you assume my premise) a sort of fit-showing jump. Partner may expect 1633, which is fine. If partner bids 2H, I dilike my diamonds now. However, this is an odd development, with no 1S response. Hence, I know partner to probably not have three spades with values there (he should lie on weakish hands). So, I expect a "fit" with clubs, strangely useful opposite my nice doubleton and expected diamond problem. So, I raise/invite. If partner bid 2S (great club support), this is trouble. I suppose I will then bid 3NT and cross my fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 To bid 2nd suit has been my priority. This is an easy 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 2D lots of good things can happen yet. I do not consider this a minimum hand but it is not a 3H bid. I may have 7 tricks but this does not qualify as a jump rebid. Look how happy I will be if partner bids 2S over 2D, I may find a slam and will definetly play a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 2D lots of good things can happen yet. I do not consider this a minimum hand but it is not a 3H bid. I may have 7 tricks but this does not qualify as a jump rebid. Look how happy I will be if partner bids 2S over 2D, I may find a slam and will definetly play a game. Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 This is close between 2♦ and 3♥ (anyone who thinks this is a minimum opening hand must get a lot of good hands). The ♥ 10 argues for 3♥ (point-counters note that the ♥10 is a VERY valuable card on this hand). But while 3♥ rates to reach an adequate game, if there is one, 2♦ is the only bid that caters to a possible slam. Admittedly, it is also the only bid that can land you in 2♦ opposite a weak 3=1=3=6 hand :P I try to avoid picturing perfect cards for partner, and certainly never assume that he holds them unless he tells me he does. But those who bid 3♥ will be disappointed should dummy present with xxx xx AKxxx Kxx. Will I reach 6♦ opposite that and similar hands? I don't know, but I do know that the odds are a lot better having bid 2♦ than having bid 3♥. At matchpoints, the case is clear: bid 3♥: play the major. At imps, I'm not going to be concerned about +600 in 5♦ as against +620 in 4♥. I would rate the choices as 2♦ 100; 3♥95; 2♥ 10 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Sure looks closer to a minimum for me. I suppose I could have a few worse spots but I could have more and rebid 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 well I voted for 3 hearts, the heart suit is solid and the singleton spade must increase ur points to 3 hearts, 2 diamonds seems to be a weak cop out imho (but I could be very wrong with that opinion) 2 hearts is a gross underbid I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Borderline, but I go with 2♥ also. I think my style here is somewhat different from many people on these forums -- my 2♥ rebids tend to have something of the opposite inference and be quite sound. I prefer to open 2♥ with borderline 10-11 counts, so this rebid is something like 12-15. Admittedly this hand is fairly maximum, but if you make one of the small diamonds a small spade I would find 2♥ rebid to be virtually automatic (yes I know a lot of you bid 2m with that hand too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Surprised by all the support for 2D. I expected it to be a minority position when I told Phil that that would be my call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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