HeartA Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Both Vul, IMP, bidding went: - - - - - - (Pass) - pass(1S) - 2S - 3S - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Pass, obviously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Hi, Pass, it depends a lot on the opponentsmethods, do they play play 3H as limit or not.But even if not, i.e. 3S is invitational,you know, that 4S will not be cold,partners michaels cue bid will not be completegarbage i.e. you do not want partner to sacrifice, which would be suggested by a 4C bid. A 4D bid should show longer clubs, because you force the partnership to the 5 level. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 what a cryptic post <_< who bid what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Pass for now. I assume we do not play MIchaels bids with random hcp and random playing strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 4N obviously :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 The 3S bid is usually made on crap with little or no defense against the minors. You have a great minor fit guaranteed and H helpers so pard will have the right hand vul to make game so go for it. On such an auction, does anyone play that 3NT is not natural but shows a H tolerance such as Hx and an invitational minor suit hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I play 3NT as natural.I bid it once, it was the right spot (though it wasn't the final contract as they saved over it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I play both 3N and X as natural (X being penalty) with 4C being pass or correct. I doubt this is optimal, but the situation doesn't come up enough for me to make some agreement and try to remember it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I play both 3N and X as natural (X being penalty) with 4C being pass or correct. I doubt this is optimal, but the situation doesn't come up enough for me to make some agreement and try to remember it. Well, obviously you need to be making more Michaels calls :) :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Well, obviously you need to be making more Michaels calls :) :P touche :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 5 clubs, pass or correct in 5 of a minor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 My bet is once again this is a Michaels bid with no accurate range. Interesting to see everyone assumes they know what this specific partner is bidding on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I like the garbage or gold type of bid, where, when used, the hand is either strong enuf to take another bid (16+) or if not vul then less than 7-8 hcp. I will just overcall the higher ranking suit if I can with intermediate values. Any other options.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Misho has advocated the use of a variable RAPTOR overcall that can include five in the unbid major (in this case hearts) but only with 5 plus in the lowest unbid minor. So in this case (if you play his way, but who besides me does?), the michales cue-bid is specifically hearts and diamonds (others can be in the same situation if playing michaels is always the top two unbid suits). The question is, if you KNEW you had a five-five or better diamond fit and a five-two or better heart fit, what would you bid? Now 4♣ and 4NT are out the window, and with ten diamonds, surely you will press on to at least 4♦ (I can't imagine pass) and 4♥ with your doubleton spade and doubleton heart honor is not horrble. 4♥ rates to make on 3-3 heart split or 4-2 if partner has the jack (surely he has heart AK or six hearts missing all these diamonds). A natural club trick and AK fifth of hearts might be enough too.... I would like to bid 5♦ in this case on the following theory. If partner is "weak" they will be able to bid 5♠. If partner is "strong" we can make 5♦. If partner is intermedate, he would have overcalled 2♥. But partner bid 2♠ vul missing a lot of red card values, and I doen't expect him to be too weak. However, it is all too true that I have the wrong number of spades, which makes me tempted to bid just 4♦. The problem is, if I bid 4♦ now, I will not let them play 4♠....so I surprise myself and bid 4♥. If you were 100% certain your partner had diamonds and hearts, what would you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 If you were 100% certain your partner had diamonds and hearts, what would you bid? Over 1♠ I play that 3♣ is the Michaels bid showing ♥ and ♦ (2NT is the 2 lower unbid) so I wouldn't have that problem. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I Think I would try 4♣, letting partner make another move only if he wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Misho has advocated the use of a variable RAPTOR overcall that can include five in the unbid major (in this case hearts) but only with 5 plus in the lowest unbid minor. So in this case (if you play his way, but who besides me does?), the michales cue-bid is specifically hearts and diamonds (others can be in the same situation if playing michaels is always the top two unbid suits). The question is, if you KNEW you had a five-five or better diamond fit and a five-two or better heart fit, what would you bid? Now 4♣ and 4NT are out the window, and with ten diamonds, surely you will press on to at least 4♦ (I can't imagine pass) and 4♥ with your doubleton spade and doubleton heart honor is not horrble. 4♥ rates to make on 3-3 heart split or 4-2 if partner has the jack (surely he has heart AK or six hearts missing all these diamonds). A natural club trick and AK fifth of hearts might be enough too.... I would like to bid 5♦ in this case on the following theory. If partner is "weak" they will be able to bid 5♠. If partner is "strong" we can make 5♦. If partner is intermedate, he would have overcalled 2♥. But partner bid 2♠ vul missing a lot of red card values, and I doen't expect him to be too weak. However, it is all too true that I have the wrong number of spades, which makes me tempted to bid just 4♦. The problem is, if I bid 4♦ now, I will not let them play 4♠....so I surprise myself and bid 4♥. If you were 100% certain your partner had diamonds and hearts, what would you bid? Overcall structure works much the same. We know the suits of our 2 suited overcalls immediately and responder can bounce instead of probe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 If you were 100% certain your partner had diamonds and hearts, what would you bid? Hi, if you are 100% sure, that p hast D&H, than the chances that 4S is cold is increased, because partner could have only singleton in clubs / they have a double fit in clubs and hearts. I will still pass, but it is a lot less clear cut. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 <snip> On such an auction, does anyone play that 3NT is not natural but shows a H tolerance such as Hx and an invitational minor suit hand? <snip> If I ever make an agreement about 3NT in this specific case,then 3NT would show longer diamonds then clubs, i.e. sugestinga sacrificie against 4S in diamond but not in clubs. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 <snip> On such an auction, does anyone play that 3NT is not natural but shows a H tolerance such as Hx and an invitational minor suit hand? <snip> If I ever make an agreement about 3NT in this specific case,then 3NT would show longer diamonds then clubs, i.e. sugestinga sacrificie against 4S in diamond but not in clubs. With kind regardsMarlowe This is a very sensible treatment that can be applied in a lot of cases I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Actually, I missed one option: double. When I tried to go back and added it, another topic was created. I asked admin to delete one, but the one with dbl was deleted instead. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I am not a great lover of Michaels, and believe that - as a minimum - they must be well codified. Since I also play that the Michael is either garbage or gold, there is no problem here: 4♣. Pard will decide what to do, according to his hand. As an aside, I also play that 3N and X are to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Both Vul, IMP, bidding went: - - - - - - (Pass) - pass(1S) - 2S - 3S - ?[hv=d=e&v=b&s=s105hq6dkqxxxcj10xx]133|100|Scoring: IMP ....-....- Pass - Pass 1♠ - 2♠ - 3♠ - ???[/hv] Did I misunderstand the problem or something?? It looked to me like the bidding went two passes followed by 1♠, 2♠, 3♠ and it's now my turn to bid. If so, it would seem to me that PASS is a valid bid to consider, but it wasn't listed as one of the options. Are you guys joking, or do you really think putting our heads on the chopping block in order to save against the opponents probable 3♠ part score makes sense. If pard is 2-5-1-5 (by far the single most likely distribution) we figure to go down in 4♣ versus their spade part score that may not make. Please, tell me I misunderstood the question or that you are jesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I think you should compete with this "pure" hand. You got no waste, so you should get yourself involved. I like 4C if it is pass or correct (it should be as I passed previously). I have no problem wth 4N either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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