cherdano Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=e&s=shq82dat6cakqj964]133|100|Scoring: IMPRHO opens a weak 2♥. [/hv]RHO's preempts are down the middle for modern expert standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 3♣.I play 3m forcing over a weak 2M, btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I have just been royally screwed. I'll start with 3H...as Fred pointed out in another thread this is a 2-way bid and responder's first priority is to bid 3N with a stop. Over the expected 3S bid, I'll try 3N from my side and hope for rain. :P Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 3NT. I want to be in game with this hand. I want the lead coming around to me. Pd should be able to stop spades, and between the two of us we can probably stop hearts. Making 5C seems against the odds, and if we can make it we can probably make 3NT. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 3N. It usually this hand type, but it could be slightly more stronger, and and slightly more balanced. however, it doesn't any support for the unbid major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 At MP I would jsut blast 3NT, but here I think I will go slow with 3♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 The problem with 3NT imo is that you have a partner who probably has lots of ♠. If you bid 3NT, he might pull to 4♠ and then what? I'll start with 3♣ (should be forcing), and when I get the expected 3♠ response I'll bid 3NT. Chances are that partner will not pull anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 3NT. If pard takes this out to 4♠, tough luck. Otherwise it makes 9 tricks no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 If pard pulls to 4♠ (presumably showing at least 6) I'll retreat to 4N hoping he can contribute something to the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I'll start with 3♣ (should be forcing) Why would an overcall be forcing? I will bid 3C, but I certainly don't consider it remotely forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Pard will look at his random 7 count and pass out 3C when 3NT is cold. At MP I would bid 3C and await developments. At Imps it seems that the chances of 3 NT are too great to miss the possible game so I would be sorely tempted to venture a 3NT bid (with that darn 4S by pard lurking, pard wouldn't pull without a semi-solid 6 bagger so I would have to think hard about 5C....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 3c If RHO has psyched an unfav. first seat weak 2 bid I may be in trouble, otherwise as Dr. Roth would say, with a spade void I do not expect the bidding to die and will go slow and listen to the bidding and decide what to do later. Btw in what country is 3clubs played forcing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Pard will look at his random 7 count and pass out 3C when 3NT is cold. That was exactly what happened at the table. And I started to comment about the 3C overcall and triggered (I think) cherdano's post of the poll. I would bid 3NT for sure. Mike, what do you mean by RHO "psyched an unfav. first seat weak 2 bid"? I don't see any reason behind that. If you assume this way, you would never trust any bids from opps, or even from pd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I would try 3N and when they run the rist bazillion S say sorry partner I did not see my void. If my partner ever bid 4S over 3NT I hope he does not need any trump finesse because I am not saving them, they got the dummy they deserved. Anyone who thinks 3C should be F over a weak 2 bid needs to get a grip, that is completely insane, how often will that come up, good grief. I am not trying to be insulting to anyone, but it makes zero sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I would try 3N and when they run the rist bazillion S say sorry partner I did not see my void. And I will say sorry to pard when they pass 3C and I go +170 B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I will bid 3C, but I certainly don't consider it remotely forcing. Did you count the tricks? You have (almost) sure 9 tricks. To count for pd with some stoppers in S is not unreasonable (while RHO denied S length). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I will bid 3C, but I certainly don't consider it remotely forcing. Did you count the tricks? You have (almost) sure 9 tricks. To count for pd with some stoppers in S is not unreasonable (while RHO denied S length). Hi, I will ask you the same question...did you count the tricks? You have 7 clubs and a diamond. Between diamonds, spades, and hearts (your weak suits lol) it is not that unlikely that the opponents can cash 5 tricks without setting one up for you. 3N could lead to a ridiculous result in a number of ways (for instance when pard has xxxx x KQJxx xxx...yes this is contrived but you get the point) and does not necessarily show a hand with a running minor and stoppers. I would bid 3N with Ax AQJx Axx AKxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I would bid 3N with Ax AQJx Axx AKxx. Or in the example hand given, with the H ace iso the Q.... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Hi, I will ask you the same question...did you count the tricks? You have 7 clubs and a diamond. Between diamonds, spades, and hearts (your weak suits lol) it is not that unlikely that the opponents can cash 5 tricks without setting one up for you. 3N could lead to a ridiculous result in a number of ways (for instance when pard has xxxx x KQJxx xxx...yes this is contrived but you get the point) and does not necessarily show a hand with a running minor and stoppers. I would bid 3N with Ax AQJx Axx AKxx. Even in this extreme case, pd would bid to 5C (or 5D) over my 3N overcall, but pass 3C. Counting on average holding (or prabability), 3NT would be the most reasonable contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I'll start with 3♣ (should be forcing) Why would an overcall be forcing? I will bid 3C, but I certainly don't consider it remotely forcing. It is a matter of agreement how strong the 3m bid can be, but what is 100% sure is that it cannot be weak.As I said in my post, my partnership agreements consider this bid 1-round forcing.Playing std, I would not consider it forcing, but would expect my pard to make an effort to keep the bidding open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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