expert?

[haver]

4 experts (?) are playing - u r South and ur hand is:

 

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=skj1097hkq5d10975c3]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

Bidding goes:

 

South (u) : Pass

West: Pass

partner: 1 Dia

East: 1 Spade

 

what do u bid?

[mcphee]

I see 2 options, pass or 2D. I choose 2D, if I pass now i give my LHO a shot at a cheap 2C and even if he were to pass maybe partner will not dble and even if he were I am not getting wealthy at the 1 level. If you had a 5th D you would want to make a stronger move, some days you make a D slam with these cards.

[Robert]

Hi everyone

 

I pass.

 

Regards,

Robert

[Free]

a quick pass

[toothbrush]

Easy pass when THEY ar vulnerable and we're not. At this vulnerability better 2♦ i think

[Winstonm]

I don't think it is realistic to think we are going to get to play 1S doubled and I don't want to invite partner to double clubs later on Q10xx or the like so I'm going to bid a quiet 2D - this takes a 2C bid away from LHO and if partner can raise to 3D it is likely we shut out their club suit entirely. IMO, when you suspect that there will be competition it is best to show a modicum of support right away so that partner can better judge how high to compete.

 

Winston

[pclayton]

Pass at any vulnerability. Worry about the continuations later.

 

I can always compete if they bid clubs, but how will pard ever know to double ♣'s if I just make a diamond raise now?

[mike777]

2D weakish but never a poor hand.

[Guest Jlall]

I would pass. My spade spots are good enough to go for penalties even with my 4 card diamond support.

[mikeh]

Pass

 

Why assume they have a rescue in ♣? LHO may be 2=5 in the blacks and not run (among many possibilities). If partner doubles and they run after I pass, then I can bid ♦ even if partner doubles 2♣. In the meantime, let's go hunting.

[Kalvan14]

Pass.

 

I'm not so worried about a rescue in clubs, btw. I'd not be surprised if pard's hand were 1-3-4-5

[ArcLight]

Pass.

 

LHO is a passed hand, would he really raise his pards 1S overcall to 2 Clubs?

Maybe he'd bid 1NT?

 

What can we make, a Diamond part score? Can they make 3 Clubs? Maybe?

Can they go down in 1S, I think so. 2 Diamonds making or 1 Spade down 1 or 2 is pretty close.

 

But passing gives the chance of pard making a reopening double.

 

If you pass, pard will look at his stiff or dub spde and may double. How many spade tricks will RHO take? You have some *NICE* spots. You can convert a small swing (+90, +110, +50,+100) into a +300 for doubled down 2.

RHO may make only his A and Q of Spades, he could be down 3 doubled for 500.

Where is his source of tricks.

[jdeegan]

:P 3♦. I seem to be the odd man out on this one. Everybody else passes waiting for partner's reopening double. For some reason this doesn't feel right to me. The opponents almost surely have a playable spot at 2♣ or 2♥.

 

I feel like I am in the catbird seat because I know that 3♦ should be a fairly good spot almost regardless of partner's hand. So, my thought is to bid it and let the opponents make the last guess. Everybody will be shooting blind except for partner who will be able to respond intelligently.

[Fluffy]

I would just pass quick. Maybe before realising I had support :P

[Gerben42]

Pass.

 

BTW if I bid anything, surely not 2♦ but 1NT if 1♦ fails to promise 4 (why am I playing this?) or 3♦ if it does promise 4.

[foo]

4 experts (?) are playing - u r South and ur hand is:

 

Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ KJT97 ♥ KQ5 ♦ T975 ♣ 3

 

Bidding goes:

 

South (u) :    Pass

West:            Pass

partner:        1 Dia

East:            1 Spade

 

what do u bid?

My first post even though I've been a BBO member almost since BBO was founded.

 

...and I immediately find an interesting controversy!

 

Ummm, why is everyone advocating a pass on this responding hand where we may very well have a game?

 

9 HCP + 3 playing points for a known good shortness = 12 Playing points.

(you even have nice intermediates)

 

This is a good hand, not a bad one.

 

Neither 3N nor 5D seems completely out of the question, particularly if the 1S bidder is on opening lead?

 

Even if you are a point counter and don't trust playing points, 9 HCP is enough to bid 1N (you certainly have S's stopped!)...

 

...but since I would upgrade this hand to an Invite+ in the presence of a fit if we swapped the D's and H's and the auction had started 1H-(1S) when holding: KJT97.T975.KQ5.3 (wouldn't we all cuebid 2S! here?)

 

...I'm upgrading this hand as well and bidding 2S! as well

 

(or is this entire thread a joke and I'm not getting that my leg is supposed to feel pulled?)

 

Foo

[Finch]

The thread is not a joke.

The passers are hoping to defend 1Sx.

 

I am also a passer. I am not very optimistic about getting to defend 1Sx, but if I pass then bid on the next round partner will know I have diamond support and a load of spades, and should be able to work out what's right.

[foo]

The thread is not a joke.

The passers are hoping to defend 1Sx.

 

I am also a passer. I am not very optimistic about getting to defend 1Sx, but if I pass then bid on the next round partner will know I have diamond support and a load of spades, and should be able to work out what's right.

Thanks for the reassurance Frances.

 

Well, call me old-fashioned and/or a simpleton, but I'll worry about bidding our games and slams before I worry about trap passing the opponents.

 

Also, if opener has 5D's and S void (which seems at least a reasonable possibility), we are not likely to get rich defending when we probably can make Game.

 

Foo

[joker_gib]

Pass too

 

Alain

[pclayton]

4 experts (?) are playing - u r South and ur hand is:

 

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> N/S </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> KJT97 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> KQ5 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> T975 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> 3 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

 

Bidding goes:

 

South (u) :    Pass

West:            Pass

partner:        1 Dia

East:             1 Spade

 

what do u bid?

My first post even though I've been a BBO member almost since BBO was founded.

 

...and I immediately find an interesting controversy!

 

Ummm, why is everyone advocating a pass on this responding hand where we may very well have a game?

 

9 HCP + 3 playing points for a known good shortness = 12 Playing points.

(you even have nice intermediates)

 

This is a good hand, not a bad one.

 

Neither 3N nor 5D seems completely out of the question, particularly if the 1S bidder is on opening lead?

 

Even if you are a point counter and don't trust playing points, 9 HCP is enough to bid 1N (you certainly have S's stopped!)...

 

...but since I would upgrade this hand to an Invite+ in the presence of a fit if we swapped the D's and H's and the auction had started 1H-(1S) when holding: KJT97.T975.KQ5.3 (wouldn't we all cuebid 2S! here?)

 

...I'm upgrading this hand as well and bidding 2S! as well

 

(or is this entire thread a joke and I'm not getting that my leg is supposed to feel pulled?)

 

Foo

Welcome to the forums Foo.

 

This thread isn't a joke. Normally a player will post a hand to find out what his peers think the right course of action is. The posters here range from Int(+) to World Class. You may not agree with the majority on a topic but if there are a lot of top players advocating a certain action you'd be hard pressed to not listen.

 

There are some real good players (Justin and Mike) that Pass this hand without a 2nd thought.

 

Is slam possible? Sure.

 

Does an initial pass preclude slam? No.

[Chamaco]

In this situation i sure see that pass has a lot of appeal.

 

However, when I do have a fit, I like to anticipate opps and deliver it to pard ASAP.

And of course, we all know that too huge a fit diminishes our defensive potential.

 

I might consider pass if I could hope 1S X would be the final contract, but I doubt it, so I prefer to communicate the fit.

 

There is a huge number of potential auctions where if I bid diamonds later after an initial pass, it will be unclear to pard that I was trying to trap pass.

 

So, I am a simple soul, I support immediately with 4 card support, I have seen too many trap-pass tries that ended up only confusing pard.

[Guest Jlall]

One might consider that passing then bidding diamonds is a more accurate description of this hand than any number of diamonds. By doing that you will be able to show long, good spades as well.

[Al_U_Card]

I will hope that I didn't hesitate too long before my pass hit the table. When pard rebids 2C I will likely bid 2NT because 3D will never get us to 3NT when it is right. After a 3C continuation to my 2NT bid, I will try 4D to invite that game.....

[mcphee]

I would not pass, I raise D. Who cares if partner has 3, he may have 7 for all I know and we may have a D slam. I would not want to make a stronger raise of D even though I think this is a good supporting hand, if I raise D now with the extras I have a am very well placed on the next round of bidding. Passing in hope of defending S at the one level for penalty vul versus not is not going to make me rich.

 

I just feel that if my partner bids again over 2D we have a game for sure and 600+ looks a lot better to me than 300. The D length is not a feature for me defending really. If I was declarer with his crappy S there is nothing more that I would like to make my little trumps via ruffing.

 

Put me down is Dumbo, I think to raise is a no brainer.

[Al_U_Card]

You have a nice 9 count. Pard has opening hand values. RHO has a spade overcall at imps (so the A and likely the Q of S) LHO can have up to an opening bid (especially nowadays) but he can't have a game going hand, particularly in spades......Premature bidding is to be avoided (support with support only applies when it is true support and there is no alternately superior option) especially if passing and then showing your hand is much more likely to transmit an accurate picture to pard, then that is the way to go.

 

Your options on this board depend a lot on how the cards lie so don't take options away from pard and don't worry about the opps doing something you won't like because you have the balance of power and the boss suit.