whereagles Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Imp pairs, expert field, you hold (all vuln) ♠ --- ♥ AQ93 ♦ AKJ8742 ♣ K10 Pard..RHO....you..LHOpass..2♣* ..?? *Natural, weak 2 in clubs. Playing natural methods after this opening, what do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Interesting hand, made more difficult because partner is a passed hand: From my perspective, there are two bids worth considering 1. Double2. 3♦ The advantage of double is that this gives you a chance to find a Heart contract. Admittedly, its not a great chance, but its a chance none-the-less. One possible auction would be P - (2♣) - X - (P)2♠ - (P) - 3♦ - (P)3♥ The alternative is starting with a jump to 3♦ If partner were an unpassed hand, the choice of 3♦ would be much easier. There is too much chance that partner would jump in Spades. In turn, this makes 3♦ much more attractive. As is, partner is passed hand significantly reducing the chance that partner will jump in Spades. Double works its way back into the picture. Personally, I'm still going with 3♦. Swans play well in their long suit. More importantly, I'm worried about the auction P - (2♣) - X - (3♣)3♠ - (P) - ??? We're this to happen, I'll be end played into bidding 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 X crosses my mind here, I'd play 3nt if my partner shows ♠.. but I've been caught out before with these X's. or.. 2♦, hoping for a game in ♥'s. jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 3D. I refuse to X with a spade void. If I X then over partners 3S bid 3N, that would suggest I would not mind partner pulling to 4S. I do not want this. 3D shows a good hand, I am a little strong for it but I like it much better than X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 2D with a spade void I do not expect the bidding to die. Let's go slow and listen to the auction and decide what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 2D with a spade void I do not expect the bidding to die. Let's go slow and listen to the auction and decide what to do. ty dr roth :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 3D. I love the weak 2 club opening :P Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 2♦, I expect LHO to support, and then I can easily reverse in ♥. Btw, 2♦ should be forcing imo... With passed partner it might be better to use 3♦ as weak, but to endanger a 3NT contract from opps, since 2♦ is hardly interference and they get a cuebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 3♦. Shows a good hand with long diamonds, which seems a fair description of what I've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Easy 2♦, a good hand with long diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Easy 3♦, a better hand with long ♦ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 3D. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 3♦, wtp?I'd never double with a chicane in ♠ and 2♦ is a bit timid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Thanks all. This is the full hand: [hv=d=n&v=b&n=sa8763hjt842dc954&w=sqjt92hk7dqt93ca6&e=sk54h65d65cqj8732&s=shaq93dakj8742ckt]399|300|Scoring: IMPPard RHO youpass 2♣* ?? *weak 2 in clubs[/hv]Bidding some number of diamonds seems reasonable, but pard will pass regardless. Double works slightly better, since pard will probably bid to game after that. The problem is how to stop short of slam in that case. Still, no matter what action one chooses for this particular hand, that action may easily fail in another layout. There's no simple solution to the problems caused by this seamingly "innocuous" 2♣ preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Thanks all. This is the full hand: <!-- FULLHAND begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> Both </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> A8763 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> JT842 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> 954 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> QJT92 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> K7 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> QT93 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> A6 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> K54 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> 65 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> 65 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> QJ8732 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> AQ93 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> AKJ8742 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KT </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td> Pard RHO youpass 2♣* ?? *weak 2 in clubs </td> </tr> </table><!-- FULLHAND end -->Bidding some number of diamonds seems reasonable, but pard will pass regardless. Double works slightly better, since pard will probably bid to game after that. The problem is how to stop short of slam in that case. Still, no matter what action one chooses for this particular hand, that action may easily fail in another layout. There's no simple solution to the problems caused by this seamingly "innocuous" 2♣ preempt. Psychic bids are always tough to deal with. :rolleyes: This hand was not a standard Vulnerable second seat weak 2 bid in playing strength or overall suit quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 But it gave the opps a problem they couldn't cope with. What does that tell you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 But it gave the opps a problem they couldn't cope with. What does that tell you? It tells me they should start opening weak hands with 44+M :) 2♣, 2♦ or 2♥, whatever they prefer... Better to avoid problems than having to solve them :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Psychic bids are always tough to deal with. B) This hand was not a standard Vulnerable second seat weak 2 bid in playing strength or overall suit quality. Given the rarity of a natural / preemptive weak 2 in clubs, I finding it surprising that there is a standard definition for the bid.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 But it gave the opps a problem they couldn't cope with. What does that tell you? It tells me they should start opening weak hands with 44+M :D 2♣, 2♦ or 2♥, whatever they prefer... Better to avoid problems than having to solve them ;) Maybe Ben can scrap up a 1♠ ZAR opener? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 "Given the rarity of a natural / preemptive weak 2 in clubs, I finding it surprising that there is a standard definition for the bid.... " Standard is as Standard does B) Anyone who uses 2C as weak is very likely to be an aggressive preempter. This does NOT make the 2C bid on this deal a psyche. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I would start with a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Over a weak 2♦ (which is a bit more frequent than a weak 2♣) I play that X guaranteees 4-3 in the majors (or better) with opening values or a very strong hand; 2♥ & 2♠ are a take-out of the other major (4/+ cards, limited strength), which would work pretty well in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhoc3 Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Thanks all. This is the full hand: Dealer: North Vul: Both Scoring: IMP ♠ A8763 ♥ JT842 ♦ [space] ♣ 954 Bidding some number of diamonds seems reasonable, but pard will pass regardless. I would not pass unless pd bid 5D ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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