Blofeld Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sk73ha93dqt6caq73]133|100|Scoring: IMP(pass) 1NT (3♥) DBL*(pass) ? *takeout[/hv]Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 3NT, without much conviction. The only realistic alternative is 4C, and doing that takes us past 3NT, which might be our last making spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 3N. We might be able to shut the hearts out with a hold up or two. Partner might have Qx or JT. The suit might be blocked. We might have 9 fast ones. I'm not one of those "always bid 3N with A9x" people, but in this case it seems right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 3NT, but I don't like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sk73ha93dqt6caq73]133|100|Scoring: IMP(pass) 1NT (3♥) DBL*(pass) ? *takeout[/hv]Thoughts? 3nt but object to the opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 3nt but object to the opening bid. I think that's a little unfair without knowing the system (though you may still object to it when the system is known). We were playing WJ05, so 1NT shows 15-17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 3N or pass depending who my LHO is. Sometimes just taking the profit ends up in a windfall. It need not always be a low variance and lesser EV if I pass compared to 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 3NT, I got my bid. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I feel like passing, so that's what I'd do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 3N: Hamman's Rule: I'd do it without knowing about Hamman's Rule, but being able to cite him in support (even tho of course he knows nothing about the hand and so might not bid 3N for all I know) strengthens me for the post-mortem :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I pass. Opp has stated that he has a hand that rates to go down and I think he is right - I'll take a smallish plus here instead of the speculative game. A bird in hand saves nine...or is that gathers no moss or maybe no mas? :) Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I seem to recall a musical comedy where the protagonist is perched up on high and is loudly crying "Decisions, decisions!" (Or certainly something traditional....lol) While many amongst us like to Fiddle around, ( :D ) I think that bidding 3NT will not send your partner through the Roof. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Mark me down for 3NT Being able to hold up in Hearts twice makes all the difference in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Mark me down for 3NT Being able to hold up in Hearts twice makes all the difference in the world To say nothing of being able to hook clubs into the safe hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothbrush Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Can't we just redeal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 The only realistic alternative is 4C why isn't 'pass' realistic? for the passers, we're vulnerable, it's imps... how do you better players compute those odds? i'm interested in the thought processes... mine are (and i'm not one of the better players) "they probably have 9 troumps, if we're making 3nt they're off 2 at 3H... that's 600 vs. 500, or about 3 imps... on the other hand, if they're making 3H i'm off 2, and the only danger is if they double us and we lose 4 imps.. we could both be off, that would be a tragedy, but i think i'll bid 3nt" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sk73ha93dqt6caq73]133|100|Scoring: IMP(pass) 1NT (3♥) DBL*(pass) ? *takeout[/hv]Thoughts?I'm assumong SAYC with 15-17 NT I will bid 3NT and hold A♥ till 3rd round if necessary :) I really can't see any other bid making -- and P is probably 4441 with singleton ♥ so converting the neg X to penalties is (IMHO) not a good idea either :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted January 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=saqj4h6dkj975ct42&w=s52hkqt8542da82c9&e=st986hj7d43ckj865&s=sk73ha93dqt6caq73]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]The full hand. At the table, I passed and collected 300. 3NT is doomed but the 4♣ bidders get the best result (assuming that they will find their way to 5♦). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Hey buddy!typical problem opening 4333 with 15 hcp and one ten? As I said I object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Scared bridge wins some of the time. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Hey buddy!typical problem opening 4333 with 15 hcp and no tens? As I said I object. dere's de Ten of Diamonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Hey buddy!typical problem opening 4333 with 15 hcp and one ten? As I said I object.I don't understand why you are objecting to the problem. Fine, for you it goes: (P) - 1♣ - (3♥) - X(P) - ? And you have a similar decision. You may not agree with the opening, but I don't see how it greatly affects your bidding decision. I personally would have opened 1NT since it's our agreed range, although I understand those that downgrade. I would have bid 3NT even though it wouldn't have been a success here. It will usually be our best game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 I think my pass over 1c=3h=x is pretty easy.....but ok...if you disagree and I respect that. I also think not all 15 hcp balanced hands are worth an opening 1nt and object if that is what my partner assumes is our agreement. :). but I respect if you disagree. As I said if forced to open 1nt then I bid 3nt and go down ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 for the passers, we're vulnerable, it's imps... how do you better players compute those odds? i'm interested in the thought processes... mine are (and i'm not one of the better players) "they probably have 9 troumps, if we're making 3nt they're off 2 at 3H... that's 600 vs. 500, or about 3 imps... on the other hand, if they're making 3H i'm off 2, and the only danger is if they double us and we lose 4 imps.. we could both be off, that would be a tragedy, but i think i'll bid 3nt" This logic doesn't really hold. You can't use the size of their trump fit to work out how many total tricks there are when one of the contracts is 3NT. One of the things that tempts me into 3NT is the worry that both 3H and 3NT are making. For example, swap North and East's clubs and diamonds, giving East the 10 of diamonds instead of the 9. At matchpoints I think 3NT is clear, but (in spite of what I wrote above) I think it's very close at IMPs, as 3Hx is unlikely to be making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 The only realistic alternative is 4C why isn't 'pass' realistic? for the passers, we're vulnerable, it's imps... how do you better players compute those odds? i'm interested in the thought processes... mine are (and i'm not one of the better players) "they probably have 9 troumps, if we're making 3nt they're off 2 at 3H... that's 600 vs. 500, or about 3 imps... on the other hand, if they're making 3H i'm off 2, and the only danger is if they double us and we lose 4 imps.. we could both be off, that would be a tragedy, but i think i'll bid 3nt" Hi, I think you got the vul. wrong. If you beat them -2, that will onlybe 300 since they are green andwe are red, in other words it willbe 600 vs. 300. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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