Seemed Simple to Me

[Winstonm]

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=skq843hak105dq8c65]133|100|Scoring: IMP

N E S W

1♣3♥??[/hv]

 

Partner opens 1C in first seat. Second overcalls 3H. What is your bid?

[pbleighton]

3NT is OK, but 3S is better.

 

Peter

[Flame]

Not simple to be, I choose 3NT rather then 3S, This will be bad if partner has 4 spades, but might still be right with many of partner's 3 spades hands.

[mike777]

Pass

 

I think I have a chance to beat this 500 at imps so I will pass.

Want them to know early I am willing to double them in case they, as many do, play very junky preempts.

[Trumpace]

Pass

 

I think I have a chance to beat this 500 at imps so I will pass.

Want them to know early I am willing to double them in case they, as many do, play very junky preempts.

N-S are vul. Do you want 500 to miss out on a vul game?

[pclayton]

3N. Just have to choose and the 10♥ beats the 8♠.

[mike777]

Pass

 

I think I have a chance to beat this 500 at imps so I will pass.

Want them to know early I am willing to double them in case they, as many do, play very junky preempts.

N-S are vul. Do you want 500 to miss out on a vul game?

Yes,

 

"Take calculated risks. That is quite different from being rash."

 

George S. Patton.

[the hog]

Easy pass. This is going for heaps.

[nickf]

Easy pass. This is going for heaps.

of course it's going for heaps but that's placing an awful lot of pressure on opener to re-open with X, if his hand is appropriate and who said he didnt open on a crap hand?

 

Qx of diamonds is an important holding too.I think vulnerable at IMPs take the game bonus and bit the obvious 3NT.

 

nickf

sydney

[Winstonm]

Pass

 

I think I have a chance to beat this 500 at imps so I will pass.

Want them to know early I am willing to double them in case they, as many do, play very junky preempts.

Is partner compelled to reopen?

 

Jxx, xx, KJx, AQJxx.

 

Pass, with a hand that has two constructive bids, takes a rather large risk that the undertricks will be added in 50 point increments, does it not? And if he does have a hand to reopen, won't that hand have at least 3 spades - and if not 3 spades then a powerful minor suit hand that risks mising slam?

 

Pass seems an awfully deep position to me.

 

Winston

[Fluffy]

I would bid 3♠ but I a wouldn't bet for it to be best.

[joker_gib]

3♠ or 3NT but I will never pass at this vulnerability.

 

I think I will bid 3♠. It is likely we have a fit and this will avoid the possible problem in ♦ or ♣.

 

3NT is also attractive given the possible bad break in ♠ and one trick less.

 

Well I still don't know ! :lol:

 

Alain

[Flame]

To the passers do you always reopen at the level of 3♥ with shortness in the suit ? I do at the 1 level but dont at the 3 level without extra's.

[whereagles]

3NT for me.

 

Pard, who is short in hearts and spades, rates to have a minor 1 or 2-suiter. In this case, not only will 3NT be the best game, but pard will also be weary to reopen with a double (no spades). With the spade game unlikely and the possibility of a penalty double remote, 3NT seems to be the best shot.

[Chamaco]

I won't gamble a pass here, too much pressure on pard.

 

There still remains to decide whether 3S or 3NT is better.

 

In my opinion, this hand suggests that 3NT should be a sure make.

If I am going to stop in game,i prefer 3NT to 3S.

 

However, if there are chances for slam, it is more likely to be in spades.

 

So, IMO, 3NT is the best game contract at IMPS in terms of safety etc etc, but gives up slam hopes. Still, I am a 3NT bidder.

[bearmum]

Easy pass. This is going for heaps.

of course it's going for heaps but that's placing an awful lot of pressure on opener to re-open with X, if his hand is appropriate and who said he didnt open on a crap hand?

 

Qx of diamonds is an important holding too.I think vulnerable at IMPs take the game bonus and bit the obvious 3NT.

 

nickf

sydney

WHY would P open with CRAP VUL v NON ??

Having said that I would still like to know ;)

 

1. What systems are each couple playing ?

2. How many points do opps overcall on ? ( ie weak or close to opening?)

3. does partner opening in 1ST position promise a second bid? (in which case it

MIGHT be a reopening X :D :lol: (This is a part of Q1 ) -- AND if he does

NOT have a rebid he should'nt be opening in 1st position (IMHO :lol: )

4. If p has a minor 2 suiter he MAYBE should have opened 1♦ rather than 1

♣ :) then he can rebid 3♣ then I have an EASY 3NT bid :(

 

WTP ??

[joker_gib]

Pard, who is short in hearts and spades

:lol:

 

Could you tell me why partner is short in ♠ ?

 

Alain

[Chamaco]

3. does partner opening in 1ST position promise a second bid? (in which case it

    MIGHT be a reopening X  :lol:  :lol: (This is a part of Q1 ) -- AND if he does

    NOT have a rebid he should'nt  be opening in 1st position (IMHO  :) )

Many good hands do not have an easy rebid if opps preempt (that's why people preempt).

Yet, despite the awkward rebid after a (possible) preempt, people will always open good hands. ;)

[Finch]

I don't think it's simple.

I wouldn't pass.

 

I am probably, just, a 3NT bidder: as others have said, it's the best way to get our vul game bonus, though probably not the best way towards a slam bonus.

 

3NT will look stupid if partner has Axxx x Kx KQJxxx, because he won't see any reason to pull. But the Qx of diamonds has persuaded me.

 

I would bid 3S if I had the S10.

[kenberg]

Bidding 3S will be wrong when partner doesn't have three spades (obviously) but it may also be wrong when he does since the play may go singleton to an ace, back for a ruff, heart ruff, ruff back. Or maybe no ruffs but a bad spade split dooms the contract. At the very least I will have to draw trump before playing on hearts, after which I have two heart losers that cannot be ruffed. Basically it will resemble playing nt, but needing ten tricks. Pessimistic maybe, but since spades will always be wrong when partner lacks them and sometimes be wrong when he has them, I'll try 3NT. If it's wrong I have been wrong before.

 

I do not expect my partner to always reopen if I pass 3H. That agreement would be great here but disastrous on many other hands.

 

Ken

[mike777]

Pass

 

I think I have a chance to beat this 500 at imps so I will pass.

Want them to know early I am willing to double them in case they, as many do, play very junky preempts.

Is partner compelled to reopen?

 

Jxx, xx, KJx, AQJxx.

 

Pass, with a hand that has two constructive bids, takes a rather large risk that the undertricks will be added in 50 point increments, does it not? And if he does have a hand to reopen, won't that hand have at least 3 spades - and if not 3 spades then a powerful minor suit hand that risks mising slam?

 

Pass seems an awfully deep position to me.

 

Winston

If partner is compelled to open on that junk in first seat unfav vul. then YES, compelled to reopen.

 

"How little you know about the age you live in if you think that honey is sweeter than cash in hand."

 

Ovid

[Chamaco]

Pass

 

I think I have a chance to beat this 500 at imps so I will pass.

Want them to know early I am willing to double them in case they, as many do, play very junky preempts.

Is partner compelled to reopen?

 

Jxx, xx, KJx, AQJxx.

 

Pass, with a hand that has two constructive bids, takes a rather large risk that the undertricks will be added in 50 point increments, does it not? And if he does have a hand to reopen, won't that hand have at least 3 spades - and if not 3 spades then a powerful minor suit hand that risks mising slam?

 

Pass seems an awfully deep position to me.

 

Winston

If partner is compelled to open on that junk in first seat unfav vul. then YES, compelled to reopen.

 

"How little you know about the age you live in if you think that honey is sweeter than cash in hand."

 

Ovid

There's been a thread (about 1.5 months ago) right about this topic, e.g. should a min opener be obliged to reopen at the three-level with shortness in opps preempt suit, or should it guarantee a non-minimum opener.

 

It seems the opinions varied a lot among BBO posters, so it really seems a matter of partnership style.

[Al_U_Card]

I am in the "it's obvious" category. Pard can have ANY opening bid. You have an opening hand with 3, count 'em, 3 H stops. Bidding 3NT is not speculation, it is describing your hand.

 

Bidding 3S is speculating that pard has a fit and that the S will not break too badly (wait a sec, maybe the 3H bidder is short in S? what a concept....) and when pard hasn't got S and no H stop, he must bid 4C? What is 4NT by you then?

 

Pass is even more of a gamble, as it allows the preempt to do its job.......

 

The added bonus is when pard holds a great hand, you will have described yours and he can make the slam move that gets you to the right spot.

[whereagles]

Pard, who is short in hearts and spades

;)

 

Could you tell me why partner is short in ♠ ?

 

Alain

Because you have 5 of them.

 

This is of course no guarantee pard won't have 3 or 4 spades, but at this stage in the auction you have to gamble on pard having 2 or 3 spades (you can't expect pard to bid 3NT over 3♠ with 2 spades and a heart singleton - a very likely hand), and, looking at your nr. of spades, 2 spades in pard seems more likely than 3.

[toothbrush]

I believe i choose for 3NT. This makes it easy for partner, and probably is the best contract. It's a fact that these preempts NV vs V are very effective.