Free Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Perhaps a small bug... When a partnership loads a FD CC, it works just fine. But when they want to clear it, BOTH players have to do it, or the CC is still on. I've noticed it when playing with Richard, and also when opps used one against me. If one player clears the CC, you get a chat message that it's cleared, but actually it's not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 probably on some of this stuff we wont know until FD is utilized by all BBO versions or mandatory download. I have used it and dont know what my non using FD opps see when playing in acbl events, but I always see EW using a new cc. I have always wondered what the opps see for a cc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 There is a glitch in the clear-fd code on the server; we've fixed it and it will go into production with the next release (within a couple of days, probably) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 My compliments for the excellent convention card feature I have installed today. It is a hard job to create the convention cards but I think it is worth the effort. I have a few questions:How to describe the meaning of PASS. I have many systems in which you pass. I cannot find out how to enter pass. It is mostly regarding weak or trap. I havent yet reached that far so I have tried to enter anything about competitive bidding, but playing inverted doubles as Bocchi/Duboin pass is important because it is a transfer to DBL. For PASS-systems the pass-opening is as crucial as 1♣ and 1♦ in club- and diamond systems. Are those pass-features possible to enter? Is there any way to advance the card with a 'any bid sign'? --------------------------------------- I hope very much this impressive convention card will be helpful in improving solid handling. I hope therefore also a feature to come to allow table host to enforce the use of convention cards. Maybe so that you need to click accept to your own card before you start playing. Thank you very mcuh Fred. We are all happy now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 My compliments for the excellent convention card feature I have installed today. It is a hard job to create the convention cards but I think it is worth the effort. I have a few questions:How to describe the meaning of PASS. I have many systems in which you pass. I cannot find out how to enter pass. It is mostly regarding weak or trap. I havent yet reached that far so I have tried to enter anything about competitive bidding, but playing inverted doubles as Bocchi/Duboin pass is important because it is a transfer to DBL. For PASS-systems the pass-opening is as crucial as 1♣ and 1♦ in club- and diamond systems. Are those pass-features possible to enter? Is there any way to advance the card with a 'any bid sign'? --------------------------------------- I hope very much this impressive convention card will be helpful in improving solid handling. I hope therefore also a feature to come to allow table host to enforce the use of convention cards. Maybe so that you need to click accept to your own card before you start playing. Thank you very mcuh Fred. We are all happy now! Thank you for your compliments, Claus! I am glad you are happy, but there is still a lot of room for improvement. I am hopeful that both the software itself and the stock FD files we have to offer will improve significantly in the months to come. The software is not really designed to fully support "opening pass" systems. If you play that an "opening pass" has a special meaning, your best bet for now is to include a description of your pass in the system summary. Then define the "responses" to an opening pass as 3rd seat 1C, 1D... openings. Probably a good idea (and certainly a courtesy) to prealert your opponents to these kinds of systems in any case. Probably also a good idea to alert your "opening passes" through BBO's existing alert/explain facilities. To answer your other question, the answer is "no". Good idea - I will think about it. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 i'm happy that claus is happy because he has a great understanding of strong club systems, and he's also a hard worker (re: his website)... that means, speaking selfishly, there may soon be many systems to choose from (blue club, hamway, etc etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 i'm happy that claus is happy because he has a great understanding of strong club systems, and he's also a hard worker (re: his website)... that means, speaking selfishly, there may soon be many systems to choose from (blue club, hamway, etc etc)Right Luke - I intend quick as possible to convert all of my convention cards to the new format. I have started with Precision(Belladonna/Garozzo) with Roman defense. Both standard and super-precision. I hope these 2 will be ready within a week. I include them in my download files. Therefore you will have approx. 20 more convention cards with defense soon. I place them in default folder. Anybody who will be able to tell me how to enter offensive interference handles? To me it looks I have no option for that. In defensive bidding it is possible to state opps. bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 i haven't been able to figure this out either, so i just made a few defensive files *as if* we'd opened and there was interference... i love FD but i would really like to be able to show 1c (all bids) or 1c (p) 1d (all bids) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I've found that defining 1st 2nd seat opening and 3rd 4th seat opening seperately for pass systems is a good solution. I can also see the problems of making a special line for Pass, as this will interfere with normal systems as you could now define Pass - Pass - 1♠ and 1♠ (3rd / 4th) which are basically placed on top of eachother. One option that might be needed is defensive bidding, pass, and only if pass is qualified as something special, it will choose this road and not the standard 2nd seat system. The only problem left is that I encountered this one: Partner: Pass (0 - 8 or 16+)RHO: Pass (14+ any) Now by agreement the responses to the initial pass change. But before this comes up again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I've found that defining 1st 2nd seat opening and 3rd 4th seat opening seperately for pass systems is a good solution. I can also see the problems of making a special line for Pass, as this will interfere with normal systems as you could now define Pass - Pass - 1♠ and 1♠ (3rd / 4th) which are basically placed on top of eachother. One option that might be needed is defensive bidding, pass, and only if pass is qualified as something special, it will choose this road and not the standard 2nd seat system. The only problem left is that I encountered this one: Partner: Pass (0 - 8 or 16+)RHO: Pass (14+ any) Now by agreement the responses to the initial pass change. But before this comes up again...Gerben I think I have found a reasonable solution for pass-systems. I intend simply to insert an extra line for each bid. That is the same simple way I intend for bids with different meanings depending of vulnerability and/or opening position. If pass-open then that line(1st line) will be responses to pass open. If no pass open then the other line(2nd line) will be used for opening. I intend to insert the blue text as you see in defensive bidding. For fx. Bocchi/Duboin system I create 4 1♣ opening lines. In this case I need to copy all the lines as the responses are the same. I think it is very simple. I think people will be running wild if they need to determine from the panel aimed for it. looks like this(Regres):1♣PASS: 6-10HcP, No shortage or 11+HcP,any dist.1♣ 8-12HcP, Any hand with shortage It will take some time until I reach the point to write for pass systems. I also like to see if an opening bid for pass is going to come. To me it looks there is going to come some modifications of the system. Fx. it is not clear to me why opps' pass bid is not skipped in defensive. Same procedure as above example can be used for competitive actions. But also here I think there might come some modifications - so I better wait a bit to see if I am right or wrong. At least I can handle with no problems and need no modifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Gerben I think I have found a reasonable solution for pass-systems. I intend simply to insert an extra line for each bid. That is the same simple way I intend for bids with different meanings depending of vulnerability and/or opening position. Claus: Just to make sure... The Full Disclosure system permits players to define specific meanings for different bids based on seat and vulnerability. For example: I can code one meaning for a 3rd seat 1NT opening if we're red and a second meaning for a 3rd seat 1NT opening if we're white. It is IMPERATIVE that people use this functionality. Please recall: FD is going to be automatically sending alert strings to the opponents. My great fear for the system is the potential for information overload. If you provide users with too mcuh data, they'll simply tune out and not ready anything. Accordingly, its important to focus ensure that on succienct and concise explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Richard I think you will see many different ways using this excellent tool but few using it according to intensions and handling it with ease. But that's not the point I think. I think the point is to try to learn ordinary players that a convention card is the basic way for information in bridge. Convention cards are always used by all good players and played according to. For many years now we have seen all the players claiming high skill levels assuming they are able to walk on water above ordinary bridge rules. I hope very much they now will think their attitude's over and act as a star paving the good way for others to solid actions. Right now I have no intensions to play and click the bidding sending aut. information. My intensions are to provide solid information and not more. I am a modest man you know! - But if it is going to be the standard to use the aut. string features I think my convention cards as I produce them will be well equipped for that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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