akhare Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 You are South and hold: [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sakqhxxdktxcq9xxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] White vs. red, bidding w/ LHO starting proceedings: (2♠) - X - (P): What's your bid? Note that you haven't played against these opponents before, but LHO seems reasonable from the bidding on the past few boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Interesting hand... I'm passing. With luck, we got them down 5 white on red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I think I'm hearing a 6421 pattern: J1098xx, KQJx, xx, x seems about right. If he's fortunate enough to find one ace in dummy it's down 1 only so I bid 3N. It usually doesn't pay to penalize a fit at the 2-level and here there is at least an 8-card fit and could be 10 - though 9 is most likely. Pard could still hold on the lines of x, Axxx, QJxx, AKxx. If opener seems a solid player, I think the risk of +200 is real - and if I'm wrong it shouldn't be more than 100 difference between +400 and +500. I really don't see this going down more than 2 if opening bidder is semi-sane. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Is it any difference between KQJx and KQxx on side suit when you want to open a preemptive hand?but this time,ther are a huge distance from China to US.Hence, i vote transfering T/O to punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 3N, and if we have them down 5 (1400) in 2S, we will almost always have 6N (1440). I could not imagine passing a takeout X on a 3 card trump suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I'm passing. Incidently, find it much more likely that LHO opened 2♠ on trash than on a nice 6-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I'd rather suspect LHO has 7 or more ♠s, so they won't go down enough... 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hi, Pass. But it really depeds on the opponents weak 2 style. Hopefully partner leads a trump. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 3N, and if we have them down 5 (1400) in 2S, we will almost always have 6N (1440). I could not imagine passing a takeout X on a 3 card trump suit. This maybe true, but 3NT will end the auction most of the time, even if 6NT has a chance to succeed, ... of course Pass will end the auction as well. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I think I'm hearing a 6421 pattern: J1098xx, KQJx, xx, x seems about right. If he's fortunate enough to find one ace in dummy it's down 1 only so I bid 3N. It usually doesn't pay to penalize a fit at the 2-level and here there is at least an 8-card fit and could be 10 - though 9 is most likely. Pard could still hold on the lines of x, Axxx, QJxx, AKxx. If opener seems a solid player, I think the risk of +200 is real - and if I'm wrong it shouldn't be more than 100 difference between +400 and +500. I really don't see this going down more than 2 if opening bidder is semi-sane. Winston But +200 vs +400 is not terrible as well. The real question is, how high are the chances to get +800, ... and -670. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I think I'm hearing a 6421 pattern: J1098xx, KQJx, xx, x seems about right. If he's fortunate enough to find one ace in dummy it's down 1 only so I bid 3N. It usually doesn't pay to penalize a fit at the 2-level and here there is at least an 8-card fit and could be 10 - though 9 is most likely. Pard could still hold on the lines of x, Axxx, QJxx, AKxx. If opener seems a solid player, I think the risk of +200 is real - and if I'm wrong it shouldn't be more than 100 difference between +400 and +500. I really don't see this going down more than 2 if opening bidder is semi-sane. Winston But +200 vs +400 is not terrible as well. The real question is, how high are the chances to get +800, ... and -670. MarloweI cannot imagine 3N going down; however, I can imagine 2S making when partner has shape: [hv=n=sha9852dqj98cak64&w=sj109853hkqjd7cj93&e=s7642h1073da6432c7&s=sakqh64dk105cq10852]399|300|[/hv] But I suppose this is just another argument for underleading an AK combo. :( Wasn't it Benjamin Franklin who said: "A bird in hand gathers no moss?" :) Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 3N, and if we have them down 5 (1400) in 2S, we will almost always have 6N (1440). I could not imagine passing a takeout X on a 3 card trump suit. I think its actually 990 v 1400 at this vulnerability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 3N, and if we have them down 5 (1400) in 2S, we will almost always have 6N (1440). I could not imagine passing a takeout X on a 3 card trump suit. I think its actually 990 v 1400 at this vulnerability ah thanks, was wondering what was with all the passers, I thought we were red/white lol. Anyways, assuming the opponents are not insane, the 2S bidder knows he bid 2S red/white with a jack high suit. He will presumably have some reason to do this, such as 7-3-2-1 or 6-4 with some outside offensive values in his side suit. It's possible both 2S and 3N will make. Most likely we can get 2S 500 vs our 430 or so which isn't a big deal at imps. I consider beating them 1 much more likely than beating them 3, once again assuming the opponents are not insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 3N, and if we have them down 5 (1400) in 2S, we will almost always have 6N (1440). I could not imagine passing a takeout X on a 3 card trump suit. I think its actually 990 v 1400 at this vulnerability ah thanks, was wondering what was with all the passers, I thought we were red/white lol. Anyways, assuming the opponents are not insane, the 2S bidder knows he bid 2S red/white with a jack high suit. He will presumably have some reason to do this, such as 7-3-2-1 or 6-4 with some outside offensive values in his side suit. It's possible both 2S and 3N will make. Most likely we can get 2S 500 vs our 430 or so which isn't a big deal at imps. I consider beating them 1 much more likely than beating them 3, once again assuming the opponents are not insane. I agree that passing is something of a crap shoot. However, I have this sick dream that LHO opened on a six card suit and partner is has a trump to lead... (Yeah, I know that Christmas has come and gone, but one can still dream) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 I've seen 2M pre-empts bid with a 6-5 shape (6-4 is so tame nowadays :rolleyes: ). Overall, the lack of the 4th trump pushes me toward 3N, if I have a minimum confidence in the skills of our oppos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Don't guess what is the preemptive hand,it's many possibility. Winstonm's examble with 4card ♠ and poor hand 4hcps+singleton is the 0 probability, because his silence isn't a player,just a deity, italian deity.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Don't guess what is the preemptive hand,it's many possibility. Winstonm's examble with 4card ♠ and poor hand 4hcps+singleton is the 0 probability, because his silence isn't a player,just a deity, italian deity.lol[hv=d=w&v=e&n=sha9852dqj98cak64&w=sj1098532hkqd7cj93&e=s764hj1073da6432c7&s=sakqh64dk105cq10852]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] You are of course correct - I had the hands wrong - these were the actual hands. :P East wisely decided to pass with only 3-card support and reasonable defense against hearts - must have been Forquet! Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 sorry i don't know what's forquet, my english is poor. The special hand can't clarify the essential reason.let me explain as a theorist:LOL*preempt 2♠ means his 6tricks with normal hypothesis,for examble JT9xxxx=5tricks and KQxx=5/2 tricks.this time his partner has 8HCPs normally,2tricks aid is not so easy.*assume the t/o is 12HCPs with 3suiter,it's a little difficulty to make 3NT up,because:RHO has 8hcps normally,so total 17HCPs on ♥♦♣ is tough to get 6tricks.for instance:AQ+AQ+AJ.But this time is easy for your ♣ suit.It means 3nt is security.*opps has 8-9cards trump(or7),the rule of total tricks disclosed it's suitable/becoming.But it's assuming on the statistics & both VUL or no.*the penalize is statistics too,90% rate of success is too many. The conclusion is 3NT better than penalty if you need a consertive result,and pass is better than 3NT when you need a venture.I am a knight,so i would pass. ROFL Happy new year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 sorry i don't know what's forquet, my english is poor. Was referring to Pietro Forquet, great member of the old Squadra Azzura. I like the point you make: pass if needing to catch up and bid 3N if comfortably ahead. Not bad. :P Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendharkar Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Bid 3 S. Reasons: 1. Establish Game force. No possibility of misunderstanding. 2. No S (max 1) looser 3. Long Club has potential for slam. Pendharkar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted January 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 You are South and hold: Dealer: West Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP ♠ AKQ ♥ xx ♦ KTx ♣ Q9xxx White vs. red, bidding w/ LHO starting proceedings: (2♠) - X - (P): What's your bid? Note that you haven't played against these opponents before, but LHO seems reasonable from the bidding on the past few boards.Partner led a small club after I passed 2♠X and I was complimenting myself after dummy came down w/: XQJTXXXXXXXXX Declarer won the A♣ and much to my surprise continued w/ a small ♠. Anyway, I continued to force declarer in ♣ and at the end of it all, we managed to set it -1 (3♠, 1♦, 1♣, 1♥). Declarer held: T98XXXXAXXXAJ So, congratulations to all who bid 3N -- next time, I will too. Maybe in a few years we'll come around the circle when people will start playing fast and loose w/ unfavourable preempts and it will be time to pass again :)... Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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