Limey_p Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=skq87543hkq5d87c8]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]You are south, two passes to you.What is your opening bid?If it matters, you play "meckwell envy" - 1C=16+, 5 card majors (but maybe 4 in 3rd seat), weak twos.It is the local club, so you may assume the opponents are average club players. or perhaps bbo experts :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 4S. The colors are right and my hand has great offensive potential. Partner may have misfitting junk with defensive values, but that's life. If he has nothing at all it will be a good save, if he has a little something we might make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 3S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Technically the right bid to me seems to be 3♠ in 3rd, and 1♠ in 1st/2nd position, but I too am willing to put maximum pressure upon opps, and bid 4. Opps are likely to have a game, and they could miss a slam, or bid a non-existing one when their bidding space is stolen. Besides, what better vulnerability could there be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 4♠, fast arrival :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 3♠, because it is matchpoints. If I bid 4♠, I may end up being doubled for 300-500 when had I bid 3♠ they may have played a minor partial or a failing 3N or a failing 4♥ or passed me out. Also, if I bid 3♠ and they double or overcall, partner will go to 4 on some of the hands where I want to be in 4 anyway. My main fear is a 3N overcall, making, when 4♠ would be 300-500. At imps I bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 1♠. 2 reasons. Its spades and I have a heart fragment. Why not see if we actually have a game before we bid it? Last time I checked there was an incentive in MPs to try for a plus score. Are we really trying to preempt them out of their 5 of a minor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Granting the greater wisdom of those above, I thought 3♠ was sufficient and that was my vote. I would echo Mikeh's argument that partner can make the move to 4♠ and in fact with our heart holding, it may even be right to defend 4♥. However, I've changed my mind and now agree with 4♠. The very same heart holding suggests you will never get to defend 4♥ in any event since partner's presumed shortness will usually lead him/her to raise to 4♠ over 4♥ with almost any hand at this vulnerability. So, why not get there now? Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 1S. Not 3S as this could be much weaker in this seat at this vulnerability, though this would be my second choice. The problem with 3S is that you "may" have 4 on opposite a perfect minimum and have no way of discovering this. Definitely not 2 or 4. 4S is a complete roll of the dice and 2S is a nothing bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 4♠ for me. Both 2♠ and 3♠ seem to misdescribe the hand at these colors. Partner will not expect this many tricks at favorable for either call. So it's either 1♠ or 4♠ or maybe pass. After opening 1♠, if opponents compete, are you going to sell to a contract below 4♠? I don't think I would. Are you going to let partner declare a game other than 4♠? I don't think I would do this either. And if partner bids 1NT, how many spades will you bid at second turn? Seems like 2♠ understates the trick potential but 3♠ is pretty likely to propel the partnership into a game anyway. Seems like most roads here lead to 4♠, so I will bid it directly and try to discourage partner from getting us overboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABadPlayer Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 4♠ for me too for all the reasons listed above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 1♠ or 4♠ depending on my score, opponents, ..... But I prefer 1♠ in 3rd seat. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 3S for me. Enough heart defense to stay low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 4♠, thanks. For the 1♠-party: what are you going to bid after 1♠-(P)-1N?And after 1♠-(X)-1N? My losers are ok for the vulnerability; I'd love to hold the ♠J too, but maybe pard will have it singleton ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 4S. Because I envy Meckwell. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 The very same heart holding suggests you will never get to defend 4♥Actually you could enjoy defending even 5♥ if opps hearts are 4:4, and LHO doubles 4♠ as a takeout. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 4 Spades. If I was in 1st, 2nd or 4th seat I would open with 3 spades. In 3rd seat and with the colours right, I want to put maximum pressure on 4th seat if he is waiting with a medium hand with good suits in the minors. This may turn out bad if partner has defensive values in the minor suits, but as Justin said "That's life". In any case, I like to have an aggressive preemptive style to make the opponents make the last guess. Cheers, and happy holidays Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 3♠ should be enough because chances are opps don't have hearts. Of course, if they bid 3NT you'd be a bit sorry you didn't open 4♠ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 4S, what else? It depends a lot on your agreements,what you will show, if you open 1Sand compete to 3S, ... you will compete? Personnally I hate auctions 1S - ...2S - ...3S - ...4S - ... Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I would open 1♠ on first or second, 3rd position I would put some random on the bid, can bid anything but 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Actually, playing MPs there is a case to be made for pass as the best bid. If LHO holds a medium hand he may well decide not to open with no spade length. If he opens just about anything but 2N, the spade hand can always come back to life. And if he does open 2N, who is to say partner may not lead a heart from J10xxx and a singleton spade? I think I just convinced myself. If this is matchpoints, I'm changing my answer to pass....unless I see LHO reaching for the bidding box. :rolleyes: Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limey_p Posted January 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 First, thank you all for your responses. There's no particular message with this hand. I conclude that 4♠ is best, and there's no reason to wait to bid it. Double dummy, NS can make 3♠, while EW can make 3♣ or even 3NT. Eyeing the results (on line at www.bridge-studio.org, afternoon of 29-Dec) I conclude: 4♠ can win in two ways - they can let you make it or they may overbid to 5C. And half the people today will overbid, and if they let you play it, half will let you make it. Results: -50 => bottom (they set you in 4♠)+100 => 33% (you set 4♣ or give a trick to their 5♣)+140 => 50% (you get to play a part score)+200 => 70% (5♣ down two)+420 => top (you bid it and they don't manage to get their ruff) [hv=d=n&v=e&n=sjhaj43dkj54ct952&w=sa62h6da9ckqj7643&e=st9ht9872dqt632ca&s=skq87543hkq5d87c8]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] (Oh, and Kelvan, do you play in Delaware, USA?) Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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